Cameron urges Britons to fight to keep Scotland

[Meat-Head]

What company was that

[bobwill]

The thing that makes me laugh is we keep getting told "The oil will run out eventually" But with that said the rest of the UK as far as im aware has already "run out" as they didn't bloody have any in the 1st place. Oil is "nice" to have and if we find more it will be a brucie bonus......until it runs out . The truth is oil is not the end of the story. As above there is plenty more going on and surely it comes down to how we invest our gains from natural resources into looking to the future.
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The oil does not belong to Scotland or England but to the Orkney and Shetland islands and thy would prefer london rule
to Salmond but would like to have independence themselves, they are closer to Norway historically than Scotland
But Salmond will ignore the rights of the Orkney and Shetland islanders and just steel there oil money the same thing that he accuse the UK government of
Personally I hope Scotland vote for independence then you will not be able to send idiots like Gordon Brown down to parliament to bankrupt the rest of the UK

[URL="http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-northern-isles-devolution-bid-1-2841537"]Scottish independence: Northern Isles devolution bid - The Scotsman[/URL]

[Diddy]

What company was that

The lewis group wins CSA award - News - About Us - Corporate - the lewis group

That is the company but they have actually been taken over by a Norwegian company who's name escapes me and does not seem to be mentioned on the site.

[Diddy]

The oil does not belong to Scotland or England but to the Orkney and Shetland islands and thy would prefer london rule
to Salmond but would like to have independence themselves, they are closer to Norway historically than Scotland
But Salmond will ignore the rights of the Orkney and Shetland islanders and just steel there oil money the same thing that he accuse the UK government of
Personally I hope Scotland vote for independence then you will not be able to send idiots like Gordon Brown down to parliament to bankrupt the rest of the UK

[URL="http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-northern-isles-devolution-bid-1-2841537"]Scottish independence: Northern Isles devolution bid - The Scotsman[/URL]

Ignoring the silly 1st part of your post....as that would be like saying sheppy does not belong to england....a little bit too extrem imho.
Onto the Gordon Brown part....He was the unluckiest PM ever. Funny thing is his actions after the banking crisis actually saved the UK from troops being put on the streets and the fall of most if not all banks....but hey better to just read some silly newspapers who love to say how he over spent and sold the gold ect ect. The defining moment of his premiership was bailing out the banks in the way that HE along with his team insisted was correct....the rest of the western world bottled doing it until we/he/they did it 1st....then the rest of the world followed. If GB did not bail out the banks in the timely manner that he did then a lot of banks would have shut their doors and people would not have been able to feed their families. Employers not able to pay wages...workers starving ect ect ect....we were headed for meltdown and it has been said that GB "saved the world". His biggest problem was he did not do the "celebrity" shit that Blair was able to do with such consummate ease. But yeah he is an idiot .
Anyway we are straying off topic here. And imho your post belies the fact that sections of the media are trying to make this seem personal....and some people are taking the bait. I personally lived in England for 13+ years. Love the place and have lots of friends and family still down their. This is really nothing personal...please don't let the media spin guide your thoughts down that road....we are all British now....we still will be even when we get indi.
Funny that people want us to come out of the EU as it's wasteful/too big/bureaucratic ect ect ect....but on the other hand they don't want to break up the uk because we are better as one big country/unit or whatever. Why is that ?
For all the "Better Together" people surely we should all just chuck in our sovereignty and become the United States of Europe. With Germany as the natural capital since they have all the money/know how and skills that other member states lag behind in......or is that different ?

[GastonJ]

and as we can now see Gideon looks like he's going to not allow currency union (that's what independence is all about *shrug*) so it looks like Scotland will have to get it's own or use the Euro. I await with interest what the exchange rate will be


UK Chancellor George Osborne is likely to rule out a formal currency union with an independent Scotland, government sources have told the BBC.
It comes after the prime minister said Mr Osborne will set out details of the coalition's position later this week.
The Scottish government has said it wants to retain the pound if there is a "Yes" vote in referendum.


BBC News - Scottish independence: George Osborne to 'rule out currency union'

You don't always get what you want and the pound belongs to the UK, which Alex says Scotland doesn't want to be part of....

[Diddy]

and as we can now see Gideon looks like he's going to not allow currency union (that's what independence is all about *shrug*) so it looks like Scotland will have to get it's own or use the Euro. I await with interest what the exchange rate will be


UK Chancellor George Osborne is likely to rule out a formal currency union with an independent Scotland, government sources have told the BBC.
It comes after the prime minister said Mr Osborne will set out details of the coalition's position later this week.
The Scottish government has said it wants to retain the pound if there is a "Yes" vote in referendum.


BBC News - Scottish independence: George Osborne to 'rule out currency union'

You don't always get what you want and the pound belongs to the UK, which Alex says Scotland doesn't want to be part of....

Wouldn't be the end of the world in my eyes. But just from a devil's advocate point, who says it will be anything to do with gideon or the Tory party for that matter....as they think after the vote (If yes) that the transition would take 2+ years so it would be well into the next parliament before anything was signed and sealed. Maybe the Scottish government would hold the UK government to ransom with the debt repayments as the UK government has already committed itself to take responsibility and repay ALL UK debt with only a "gentleman agreement" from the Scottish government being the sole responsibility that we would inherit. Playing silly buggers is fine but it can and does work both ways .

[GastonJ]

Sorry, all the English parties have now agreed not to allow the use of the BOE *shrug*

The three main Westminster parties will declare that whoever forms the next UK government would not agree to allow an independent Scotland to use the pound.


The Conservatives, Labour and Liberal Democrats will make the comments on Thursday, the BBC has learned. The Scottish government wants to keep the pound in a currency union if there is a referendum "Yes" vote.


The development came ahead of the Scottish independence vote, being held on 18 September.


BBC News - Scottish independence: UK parties will block money union

Alex will have to start writing on Izal. Might be worth buying it while it's cheap or getting the kids to steal it from schools - which is the only place that ever used it

As for playing silly buggers, not paying debt puts Scotland on an even footing with Argentina, and they aren't enjoying that position.

[Snowy79]

Normal feeble attempt at blackmail by a bunch of self serving MPs and nothing in the peoples interest. If there is a yes vote they will bottle it and let Scotland use the pound. If they don't other countries will devalue the pound as it's held afloat with the Scottish economy. Lets face it. If you live in the British Isles and want to travel between countries would you vote for a country you'd like to visit to have a separate currency so you could have the pleasure of exchanging your money.

There are also plenty of Countries that use other Countries currency without formal agreements and also have their own currency so it can't be stopped. As for sharing the pound and being tied to the rest of the UK for taxes etc, again Scotland doesn't have to be. Look at the USA as an example. All the states use a common currency but have different tax rates etc but manage perfectly well.

It's just Politicians treating their sheep as idiots to get what they want for themselves.

[GastonJ]

It's just Politicians treating their sheep as idiots to get what they want for themselves.

That's because most of them are. They vote because that's the way their parents voted, or they're expected to vote or because they always have. Most people don't look at the policies, or if they do it's "what's in it for me" and never look at the policies close enough to realise that "lower income tax rates" will mean that they'll end up shelling more out in VAT or so called "green taxes" for fuel instead. At the end of the day someone has to pay, and that someone is called "Joe Public"

[Kalipo]

Normal feeble attempt at blackmail by a bunch of self serving MPs and nothing in the peoples interest. If there is a yes vote they will bottle it and let Scotland use the pound. If they don't other countries will devalue the pound as it's held afloat with the Scottish economy. Lets face it. If you live in the British Isles and want to travel between countries would you vote for a country you'd like to visit to have a separate currency so you could have the pleasure of exchanging your money.

There are also plenty of Countries that use other Countries currency without formal agreements and also have their own currency so it can't be stopped. As for sharing the pound and being tied to the rest of the UK for taxes etc, again Scotland doesn't have to be. Look at the USA as an example. All the states use a common currency but have different tax rates etc but manage perfectly well.

It's just Politicians treating their sheep as idiots to get what they want for themselves.

Very good point, but Scotland wants indi and chooses to use the UK pound without consent from the banks it will be a dangerous game..

With a currency you don't control you are unable to set interest rates. So you would struggle with wages being lower than rates set by the bank of England.

Gettin up your own country is a minefield..

[Meat-Head]

Well if it happens then like in Cuba locals get charged 1 potato to cross the bridge emicans and inglish $2 each

[GastonJ]

Thing is it's supposed to be independence, as Alex keeps saying, so why would anyone think that they meant "independence, but being able to continue to use the UK infrasctructure for our own use because we can't afford or didn't think about it......" End of the day if independence doesn't happen don't look for devo max just to cover for Alex's failures, look for Alex's head for not bothering to think that it really should be an independent Scotland for the people and not his ego.

Hmm I also see that there seems to be some confusion over pensions. Was that missed as well?

There only needs to be 140,000 petitions signatures on an e-petition for force the following question to be asked in the House of Commons "Can the English have a vote to be independent of the rest of the UK?" doesn't there?

*shrug*

[bobwill]

Thing is it's supposed to be independence, as Alex keeps saying, so why would anyone think that they meant "independence, but being able to continue to use the UK infrasctructure for our own use because we can't afford or didn't think about it......" End of the day if independence doesn't happen don't look for devo max just to cover for Alex's failures, look for Alex's head for not bothering to think that it really should be an independent Scotland for the people and not his ego.

Hmm I also see that there seems to be some confusion over pensions. Was that missed as well?

There only needs to be 140,000 petitions signatures on an e-petition for force the following question to be asked in the House of Commons "Can the English have a vote to be independent of the rest of the UK?" doesn't there?

*shrug*

have you started an e-petition? if so I will sign it

[GastonJ]

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso has said it would be "extremely difficult, if not impossible" for an independent Scotland to join the European Union. Speaking to the BBC's Andrew Marr he said an independent Scotland would have to apply for membership and get the approval of all current member states.


In his interview with Andrew Marr, Mr Barroso said: "In case there is a new country, a new state, coming out of a current member state it will have to apply." John Swinney described Mr Barroso's comments as "pretty preposterous"
He said it was important that "accession to the European Union will have to be approved by all other member states of the European Union." He went on: "Of course it will be extremely difficult to get the approval of all the other member states to have a new member coming from one member state."


BBC News - Scottish independence: Barroso says joining EU would be 'difficult'

and now Alex can accuse the EU of bullying Scotland as well, or does it only suit him to accuse the English of doing so *shrug*

[gopher7]

If the Scots vote for Independence they will become, a so called new "State". So will EWNI. The union would cease to exist and the UK would be no-more. So if Scotland had to apply to re-join the EU, so would EWNI, because they would be a new "State" also.
But Cameron says he'll hold a referendum on leaving the EU in the coming years, so even if the Scots vote NO in September they could still find themselves "out" of the EU if Britain votes to leave.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, this is mine.