B.N.P AND QUESTION TIME

[forntida]

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I don't see the point of this -- are these people going to come around and murder us in our Beds because we didn't vote B.N.P.??

ha i put in one of my old postcodes and whoever lives there now votes for them!!!!

Did you ever consider the fact that by doing this you may be endangering innocent people? The extreme opposition to the BNP could pick out a person who may 'fit the bill' at this post code and some innocent person could suffer.

[C64]

We should have a poll about whether or not the BNP gained or lost from the Question Time appearance.

In all honesty, due to the unfair nature of the show, I feel that the BNP have GAINED from it.

Had the show been a normal studio debate about typical political issues then I'm sure the result would have been different.

The British public love the underdog, if we see a situation where someone is being hounded and picked on then regardless of whether the person is right or wrong we tend to (in one way or another) sympathise with them.

[forntida]

We should have a poll about whether or not the BNP gained or lost from the Question Time appearance.

In all honesty, due to the unfair nature of the show, I feel that the BNP have GAINED from it.

Had the show been a normal studio debate about typical political issues then I'm sure the result would have been different.

The British public love the underdog, if we see a situation where someone is being hounded and picked on then regardless of whether the person is right or wrong we tend to (in one way or another) sympathise with them.

I agree totally. We have seen it with all the 'isms'. The public are gradually turning against the 'do gooders', some unfortunate people will end up worse off.

[manxspud]

it would appear that we will be seeing more of nick griffin...

Fury as BBC says Nick Griffin can appear on more shows - mirror.co.uk

[Raven]

it would appear that we will be seeing more of nick griffin...

Fury as BBC says Nick Griffin can appear on more shows - mirror.co.uk

Not speaking at you specifically manx pal, but I don't know what people are so upset about, like it or not they are an official political party and it's hypocritical of people to try and silence them....it's bad enough that Question Time was a farce purposefully set up to be a viper's pit for the BNP that backfired (actually im delighted at that but it still wasnt on), and if the BNP have gained votes throughout the country due to the tv exposure then what does that tell you ? Now I know this anyway, but it tells me that there's a hell of a lot more going on out there on the streets throughout this country that we are not seeing on our televisions and that know-it-all's aren't even considering because they live in nicer areas and can't see beyond the race tag.

One other thing, I'm confused at this part I really am....other ethnic groups can have their own groups specifically for them, so black's only no white people, or middle eastern only, and that's all well and good and yet white people aren't allowed a similar group because it's racist ? I must be missing something there how can it be alright for black or indian people to have their own groups but not for white British people ? It's no different and no less racist. All it should be is fair and equal.

[on_the_jazz]

One other thing, I'm confused at this part I really am....other ethnic groups can have their own groups specifically for them, so black's only no white people, or middle eastern only, and that's all well and good and yet white people aren't allowed a similar group because it's racist ? I must be missing something there how can it be alright for black or indian people to have their own groups but not for white British people ? It's no different and no less racist. All it should be is fair and equal.

Names of these parties?
(before you accuse me of starting something again; I'm respectfully asking because I've not heard of them - and yes I've tried google ).

[Raven]

I don't know the names of them , just like you I don't pay obsessive attention - but that doesn't mean they don't exist....like Aston Villa players of the 80's I don't know their names either, but obviously doesn't mean they didn't exist.

It's right though if asian people can have their own anything where white people aren't allowed then why is it racist if a white person does the same thing where other ethnic groups aren't allowed if them ethnic groups can do the exact same thing and get away with it ? That's what I don't understand. It's no more or less racist either way, in fact it's not racist at all. It's a little thing called prerogative, but things like that need to be equal for all involved and that does include white people. Meaning it shouldn't be racism anything if a white person or community has a group where it's white people only. But if that was a reality then that would be fair and equal wouldn't it and we can't have fair and equal for a white British person so it has to be racism if they do the same exact same thing...

[forntida]

What I would like to see is some of these people who are shouting, quiet rightly, for equality is for some of them to treat their women like human beings first. Then come back and review the equality thing.

I just thought I would change it from a racist to a sexist thing.

[manxspud]

Nice 1 @forntida .... no offence taken @raven... i only wanted people to know that they will get more chances to hear from the bnp. people can use there vote as they see fit... with a bit of luck they will be able to able to have a clearer view of the bnp in the future. one thing is for sure the bnp will give everybody something to think about. i am hoping that in the future the debates will be about polices and solutions to problems... and not just shouting down and heckling.

[Raven]

The way I see it is quite simple - racism, sexism, being dismissive it's all the same thing really it's a lack of common decency and respect and it all boils down to ignorance at the end of the day. The ignorance of hypocrites. We often harp on about wanting to live in a better world but we'd do well to do our bit aswell by realizing that each of us are just 1 person in a sea of people who are just as valid as the next person and that respect for other people and one's self is vital. Because if you don't have either then really you're living a miserable life deep down....so in that sense respect is also key to being happy. Sorry I've got my philosophical head on at the moment!

[manxspud]

@manx reads @ravens last post... then rereads @ravens last post... takes a big lungful of air and starts the long climb back up to the surface.
don,t you think raven that sometimes... what should be the easiest things in life often turn out to be the hardest.
hopefully people will read your last post... and stop just to think about what those words really mean.
regards manx.

[Raven]

don,t you think raven that sometimes... what should be the easiest things in life often turn out to be the hardest.

Yes, that's completely true - but only for certain types of people....because let's face it for some people it's very easy to be humble and respectful but not for some other folks. And really nothing worth doing in life is ever easy. But we all have our imperfections and vices too no doubt, but really all it takes is some resolve and a fair dollop of discipline. And regarding respect all that's needed to be shown is a bit of awareness and empathy. Even if you couldn't care less a little show of respect and humbleness goes a long way. Just don't be afraid to put a tw@t of a person in his place either though! That's equally important

[chroma]

it would appear that we will be seeing more of nick griffin...

Fury as BBC says Nick Griffin can appear on more shows - mirror.co.uk

Mr Byford's comments prompted anger from campaigners who accused the BBC of chasing ratings.

This is the most insane comment ive ever heard.

Ratings are used to determine viewership numbers, if a channel recieves more viewership then it becomes more lucrative for advertisers to buy time (and time becomes more costly as a result meaning the station increases revinues)

This is only remotely usefull to a channel that actualy serves advertisements... the BBC is funded entirely by lisence fees so theres no reason to host advertisments for anything other than their own channels.

Ratings are irrelevent in this case.

[forntida]

This is the most insane comment ive ever heard.

Ratings are used to determine viewership numbers, if a channel recieves more viewership then it becomes more lucrative for advertisers to buy time (and time becomes more costly as a result meaning the station increases revinues)

This is only remotely usefull to a channel that actualy serves advertisements... the BBC is funded entirely by lisence fees so theres no reason to host advertisments for anything other than their own channels.

Ratings are irrelevent in this case.

The BBC have adverts on the internet catchup programs. Not the Iplayer ones, the other ones. Maybe they meant those ones. As to whether they get paid for them, I don't know.

[Timmaa]

I don't know the names of them , just like you I don't pay obsessive attention - but that doesn't mean they don't exist

In fairness Raven, if you're going to say something like

other ethnic groups can have their own groups specifically for them, so black's only no white people, or middle eastern only, and that's all well and good and yet white people aren't allowed a similar group because it's racist ?

Don't you think you need to be able to prove that they exist?