British PM David Cameron says Multiculturalism has failed

[tshirtman]

I've got to say it cuts both ways re your comment that anyone who disagrees with this countries immigration policy is labeled a right wing racist. I've seen looney left mentioned also on this thread for people who don't see anything wrong with a multicultural society.

Just picking up on a few points made..

Limited Housing stock. In terms of homes being built there has been a boom in recent years. There are far more affordable houses now than there has been for some time, though social housing numbers have been in decline. There are many reasons for this - most of which the previous Conservative Gov' should hold it hands up for. RTB scheme, funding being cut to local government from central government - meaning that local authorities did not spend enough on there vast social housing stock. Which has meant that large amounts of social housing is not up to the decent homes standard, resulting in many thousands of homes being demolished. Short sighted Tory policies of the 80's to blame.

Immigration in Oz. You're right Australia does have a strict policy - I take it you think that's right and it's right what there government has done in the past? Did you think it was right what they did re the Vietnamese boat people? And re the Australians being racist..It's a sweeping statement and of course it does not apply to many, but I've done a fair bit of traveling and I spent a year in Oz a few years back. In my opinion it's the single most racist country I've visited. How they have treated the Aborigines is nothing short of disgraceful. I know your comment was meant to be tongue in cheek, but it's actually correct.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with 10% of the population being immigrants. Me and my family are immigrants. All working hard, all paying into the UK system - unlike a fair few of the 'indigenous' population. The richest and most powerful nation on earth(which the UK have being sucking up to for many a year) is also the most multicultural.

You mentioned about the core of the argument and the numbers of immigrants in the UK. From the 50's (and earlier for some countries nationals) why do you think many immagrants have come to the UK? That's the real core of the argument. When the British empire fell, do you think many of the countries were in a better state for what the British did for them? Also the doors were well and truely open when trying to encourage cheap labour from the Commonwealth to help build the UK back up.

Cablefree is bang on in saying that the masses are being fed a line that 'everything is down to the immigrants'. Whether you like it or not this same line has been used by the BNP for years and was also used to an extent by the Nazi party in Germany. Now the Tory party are using it as a way of getting the masses (predominantley working class) on side. If people are taken in by it or choose to believe it, it's up to them.

I don't know where you live but to say there are plenty of affordable homes, not for first time buyers there's not,
and whats wrong with RTB, admittedly not everywhere should have the right, but if a council has a surplus of houses then why not sell some off,
all governments have cut funding to local authorities,
where i live most council estates are now run by housing trusts, and all are spending vast sums refurbishing there homes, (near me ?16k per house), this is because they can access European funding, where local authorities cant.

whats wrong with having strict rules for immigrants coming into the country, can you support yourself financially, can you find somewhere to live without local authority help, these two questions should be asked of everyone coming to live here.

how can you distinguish between the indigenous population, or do you mean skin colour, we are all immigrants in this country in one way or another, we are a "mongrel nation", but there has to come a time where we say enough is enough,
just because we invited people here after the second world war to help rebuild the country, doesn't mean it has to go on for ever
and you say multicultural nations are the wealthiest countries in the world, but they also have some of the biggest problems, the highest crime rates, low life expectancies, poor education systems,
and they are now quickly falling behind the non-multicultural nations (China, India, Brazil), mainly due to a change in there political ideologies, not because they have opened there borders
nowhere have i put all the ills of this country at the door of immigrants, it is down to the failing policies of various political parties, and i find it crass for you to associate my views with that of the BNP or the Nazi party

[mattybhoy]

wish i had never started this

I wish you hadn't Sam. I aint got the time, but I'm getting sucked and drawn into it..

[tshirtman]

I guess we should draw a line, and agree to disagree.

[Grizz]

I guess we should draw a line, and agree to disagree.

i'd agree, i hate too see people arguing over something a politician says, cause its usually lies or misdirection, designed to stop people focusing on them.

Divide and rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[cablefreejunkie]

i'd agree, i hate too see people arguing over something a politician says, cause its usually lies or misdirection, designed to stop people focusing on them.

Divide and rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

completely wrong in my view grizz,
in this case that scumbag cameron has deliberately whipped up racial tension,,he knows exactly what hes doing when he starts ranting in front of the world media,and then when its posted on here you start to see the true colours of many members,,look at the posts and see who thanks who and what they are actually thanking people for
its one thing to be left or right or even undecided,but its completely another thing to not want people in a country because of ethnic background etc,you only have to look at the likes of the sun newspaper,the star,the mail etc to see what shite people are being fed daily,shite they believe and think is 100% true,,look at how many members copy and paste on here,rhetoric shite from shite red tops
anyway its just starting to get interesting,im waiting for a few more replies and too see those that have thanked others contribute to see what they have to say on the subject,i want to take this moment to thank LFC4LIFE for posting the original message
we are after all entitled to say what we think

[Grizz]

i cant see how im wrong mate, its happened since politics began, get the people to fight amongst themselves or blame a minority for the woes of the country, then we argue, when we should be at the gates of the Dail or House of Parliament with pikes in one hand and ropes in the other.

read your statement again and ask yourself where we disagree.....
that scumbag cameron has deliberately whipped up racial tension,,he knows exactly what hes doing when he starts ranting in front of the world media

[mattybhoy]

I don't know where you live but to say there are plenty of affordable homes, not for first time buyers there's not,
and whats wrong with RTB, admittedly not everywhere should have the right, but if a council has a surplus of houses then why not sell some off,
all governments have cut funding to local authorities,
where i live most council estates are now run by housing trusts, and all are spending vast sums refurbishing there homes, (near me ?16k per house), this is because they can access European funding, where local authorities cant.

whats wrong with having strict rules for immigrants coming into the country, can you support yourself financially, can you find somewhere to live without local authority help, these two questions should be asked of everyone coming to live here.

how can you distinguish between the indigenous population, or do you mean skin colour, we are all immigrants in this country in one way or another, we are a "mongrel nation", but there has to come a time where we say enough is enough,
just because we invited people here after the second world war to help rebuild the country, doesn't mean it has to go on for ever
and you say multicultural nations are the wealthiest countries in the world, but they also have some of the biggest problems, the highest crime rates, low life expectancies, poor education systems,
and they are now quickly falling behind the non-multicultural nations (China, India, Brazil), mainly due to a change in there political ideologies, not because they have opened there borders
nowhere have i put all the ills of this country at the door of immigrants, it is down to the failing policies of various political parties, and i find it crass for you to associate my views with that of the BNP or the Nazi party

t-shirt a fair enough idea to draw a line and trust me I don't want to fall out with any more people on here re race, immigration etc But, but...can I just try to answer your queries?

Housing - You say there is nothing wrong with the government selling off stock (which is fine), but in an earlier post you said that there wasn't enough stock. There does seem to be a contridiction with this. Any issues with falling social housing stock has not been caused by immigration. It has been caused by several governments in not investing and re-investing in the vast amount of social housing that there was in the UK. Like I said before, the last Tory government should shoulder much of the blame for the declining social housing stock. I think it's fair to say, that social housing (for the working class) wasn't one of Thatcher's main concerns...

Rules on Immigration - As far as I know the UK do have rules on immigration, though it does have a problem (like many other countries does) on controlling numbers of illegal immigrants. I think many in this country lump immigrants, illegal immigrants and asylum seekers together. If people see an asylum seeker in there local town in the middle of the day they seem to think "Look, immigrants! not working, living off the state of this country!" etc etc.. They don't realise that they may not have seen an immigrant and they also don't realise that many asylum seekers can't work until the have the right to remain. As far as I'm concerned, in my own personal opinion immigrants I know, have met and have come across are very
, very hard working and it's not unusual for them to do the jobs what UK born people will not do or at least would do for greater pay. That surely does not have a detrimental effect of the countries economy?

Indigenous Population - I absolutely hate this expression and I must admit I did use it tongue in cheek. You're spot on in saying that Britain is a mongrel nation. I'm sure if all traced back where they came from they may be suprised and in many cases shocked!

High Crime Rates, Low Life Expectances - At the risk of offending many on DK - you're not talking about Glasgow are you?! Only joking..But I might have something here? You seem to be saying that there is a correlation between high crime/low life expectances and multiculture? Glasgow now being fairly multicultural, but historically not so. I've not looked in any great detail but I do know that some parts of Glasgow have/have had one of if not the lowest life expectance in Europe and this is not a recent phenomenon. I beleive Glasgow has also had a high crime rate and a gang culture for some years - something which immigration can't really be blamed for.

I'm only guessing but if you compare Glasgow with more multicultural cities in Europe such as Amsterdam, Berlin and Paris I think Glasgow would not compare favourably in crime rate and life expectancy.

Finally I did not or did not want to associate your views with that of the BNP etc. What I said is that Cameron with this speach is using the same rhetoric that the BNP have used for years and the Nazis did. In that 'it's all down to the immigrants/or other races' and they want the masses to believe this.

[cablefreejunkie]

i cant see how im wrong mate, its happened since politics began, get the people to fight amongst themselves or blame a minority for the woes of the country, then we argue, when we should be at the gates of the Dail or House of Parliament with pikes in one hand and ropes in the other.

read your statement again and ask yourself where we disagree.....
that scumbag cameron has deliberately whipped up racial tension,,he knows exactly what hes doing when he starts ranting in front of the world media

actually youre not wrong grizz in your initial statement,what i dont think is right is this agree to disagree,,i mean if someone makes a statement back it up let the disscussion keep going
maybe im wrong,i have been before,and maybe for the sake of it being on here youre right
actually lets agree to disagree

[bobwill]

same few who shouts every one else down if they have a different view to them tells them they are uneducated and I can say that if the crap you come out with is what education is I am glad I have not got it .It has made you very bitter and twisted and I notice you come from REVOLUTION TOWN and I think that says it all

[nara]

We do not have to leave these shores brown and his loney left idiots have open the gates let every one in it is like a foreign country in some towns,and the only ones that have not noticed it are the middle class do gooders and the loney left, and as soon as some one say anything about it the shout from the looneys and do gooders is BIGOT or racist

I wonder why?

[cablefreejunkie]

same few who shouts every one else down if they have a different view to them tells them they are uneducated and I can say that if the crap you come out with is what education is I am glad I have not got it .It has made you very bitter and twisted and I notice you come from REVOLUTION TOWN and I think that says it all

firstly bobwill it might be a good idea to run a spell check and punctuality check on your posts,i dont mean this disrespectfully but you dont make sense,,read your posts back and you will see what i mean
secondly i dont shout people down,i simply reply to a post,whether or not i agree with that post is another matter,,we live in a democratic society,,we are supposed to debate,i mean if we all agreed on everything then the world would be a bloody boring place
and yes you are correct i do come from revolution town,maybe you could visit for a day and see how we roll
you think i talk crap,fair enough you are entitled to your views
but to say we dont have to leave these shores brown,
i dont have to say a lot more about you do i

[masur123]

I wrote a big long thing here, but after reading some more posts I think its fair to say there is nothing wrong with the country. It must be true I read it in The Times/Observer/Some other intellectual paper.

[stebarker]

This is exactly what, Enoch Powell was trying to say many years ago, but he got lambasted for his views,

Rivers Of Blood Speech

He actually signed the form to let them in!

[tshirtman]

He actually signed the form to let them in!

Signed what form, any commonwealth citizen had the right to live and work in the UK, up until 1962.

Commonwealth Immigrants Act 1962 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Powell campaigned to tighten the commonwealth immigration act, which it was in 1968.

[jimdollar]

scumbag

live and let live
cameron is a scumbag along with most tory supporters,and to try and get the workingclass voter on board he now comes out with all this shite while times are tough and getting even tougher under conservative,trying to stir up racial hatred etc
i mean what the ~~~~ would he know anyway,,lives in a completely different world
if you agree with what hes saying then you must also support the expulsion of all brits abroad,no matter what country they are in ? if you feel that strong,
all of you on here supporting camerons rhetoric and enoch powells shite should never under any circumstances leave these shores and step foot in any other country again
im sure you wont be leaving then ???? yeah right

Top scumbag is Gordon Brown, never did a right thing since the day he was born.