kennedy assassination

[cantona7]

another one i am still in limbo about.
on one hand the yanks say it was oswald(so it must be true)
but then i have seen a few documentrys saying the angle of the shot etc that the bullet was fired from elsewhere and not where they say he was shot from.

if you look at the whole kennedy family they are a bunch of unlucky so and so's or is it as some people think a big conspiracy against a powerful and established part of american high society?????

[Jaffa]

Now if only they had a CSI Dallas. If Grissom had been on the job it would have been solved.

Its one of those where you either believe what is apparently the official view or whether you listen to the others who say about the angle of the shot and the grassy knoll. Someone will disagree with you whichever version you believe.

I have seen both sides stories and they are both bloody convincing so I have an open mind and tbh....I don't really care who shot him.

[Raven]

Well I think this was definitely a cover up in my honest opinion, basically we have the American government saying one thing and scientists saying something else and that for Oswald to have shot him from there considering the bullet wounds found on the president the bullet would have had to have gone backwards and forwards multiple times in mid flight which is obviously not phyisically possible or at the very least extremely unlikely into the 1 out of 10000 category but it's either possible or it isn't (the US government suggests one thing, physics alone and likelihood suggest another).....then we have an extremely similar situation with Martin Luther King's assassination and the link ? both he and Kennedy were committed to peace and change during a time of greed and war and so they had to be silenced....throw in the assassination of Robert Kennedy some years later and the apparent plane crash accident of John Kennedy's son (I forget his name...) and you add all this up and you have at minimum 5 or 6 extroardinary coincidences at best. Or you have an obvious (allbeit outlandish) cover up where the truth either won't be known at all or won't be made public until 2038 unless they have pushed it back even further and if so why ?

I don't buy any of it, cover up. The mere notion that 1 man acting alone could snipe the president from a lone window overlooking the square is ridiculous enough considering how well protected people in power are all things being equal.....which in this case it wasn't.....riding in the car open top, slowing down at the crucial headshot moment, Oswald being known to be an average shot at best and him firing 3 shots in 6 seconds with a crappy rifle at a moving target through thick foliage due to a tree obstructing his would be view ? nah if it wasn't a cover up then it has to be the biggest case of luck and coincidences dovetailing perfectly and realistically what are the odds ? Which is the most likely honestly ?

I know which side of the fence I'm on.

I just hope Obama doesn't end up the same way.....touch wood he won't.

[.: JaCkPoT :.]

When did this happen? Im a bit young

[Raven]

You seriously don't know when this happened ?! Wow, okay it was on 22nd November 1963 in Dallas, Texas.

If you haven't seen the movie JFK you should it raises alot of questions and food for thought and besides it is a really good film....it's about 3 hours long but unlike Titanic the whole film is riveting not just the last 30 minutes . It might be abit difficult to follow the first time you watch it although that might just have been me!

@ Jaffa, you might not care about who shot him I mean to be fair it was over 40 years ago now, but that doesn't change or erase what happened that day...to be fair the how and the who is not important, just a decoy for us to avoid asking the most important question, why ? That's the important part. The answer is the same as what it's always been about, power and money. The war creates more revenue than anything else and Kennedy was committed to change and peace except the people under him were committed to war, power and money.

Same principles stand nowadays aswell especially in the Bush administration, just look at Iraq war....they were supposedly after WMDs and they didn't find any at all, they lost the most recognisable and slow arse terrorist of our time and but shock and amazement they found a ton of oil in Iraq and sorted out Saddam while they were there and they found him in a random hole in the ground!

Try to add all this up and it doesn't make sense....if you use your own intuition and ask questions to yourself and ponder you realise that there's alot of smoke there....but we won't ever know for sure if there's a fire so we are stuck with basic guesstimation based on what we know to be an apparent fact vs the odds of probability in reality.

I mean I don't really care who shot Kennedy or the fact that Kennedy was shot since people invariably die anyways but then again it's not really about caring who shot Kennedy and how so much as it's about the reason why he was killed, and the fact that so it would seem that attitude is alive and well in this day and age also, that's the bigger picture and the one that you should care about, not that we can do anything about it.

If it was a cover up as I think it was then obviously we have a major problem looking at the big picture, or if not then obviously I've played too many video games and watched too many movies!

[efan2008]

well i say people destroy good people !!!!!! to keep evil alive like keeping dick world top leaders and shit! so they can have there way and no one can do nothing about it!! opion thats all

[firemouth]

I am, reasonably, open-minded on this. but atm, its swinging to the lone gun man scenario. The only real problem is, can you really see the US government being able to keep something like this a secret? my god a president dips a cigar in an intern and its all over the news

[Raven]

Absolutely they can keep it a secret.....because A) it happened in 1963, and the longer it goes on the less important the subject becomes. B) they have all this fancy stuff now to promote their version of events shall we say (created especially to con the masses and confuse their understanding). And C) it's been their standard operating procedure to neither confirm, deny or discuss anything except to regurgitate their spin story every once in a blue moon. And then we have pretty much what we have now with this case and indeed most conspiracies the ones who believe there's more than meets the eye behind closed doors say one thing and the masses who believe what they are told have their input too and the resolution never comes, essentially we can talk about it until the cows come home and the more we do the more joe public is confused and ends up not wanting to know.....indeed alot of people are too frightened to face the reality of what the truth could well be they furiously dismiss conspiracy theorists and choose to believe the official version of what they are told by the government leaders and obviously that's exactly what the government wants....us to confuse each other so the point gets lost, making their story that much stronger by comparison of a smattering of conspiracy shouters.

Basically if you go on physics and the official story alone you know that Oswald couldn't have shot Kennedy from there under those circumstances...at the end of the day you know if you drop an apple you know that it will drop onto the floor and that it's physically impossible to go from side to side or whatever no matter what anyone says.

Oswald was known to be an average shot at best, for him to hit a moving target from that distance with a crappy rifle firing 3 shots in 6 seconds with one being the headshot (how Kennedy gets hit in the back of the head and his head doesn't move forward I don't know....point of impact, think about it.) For Oswald to hit Kennedy in the head from there he would have had to take into account wind direction and resistance, speed of vehicle and the meeting point of impact aswell as bullet drop or arc....basically the targeting crosshair wouldn't have even been aiming at Kennedy.....and yet all these things and calculations would have had to be absolutely spot on to even hit him from there and they are saying he did all these calculations on the fly and fired 3 shots with 3 reloads in 6 seconds one of them being the fatal headshot.....if you have ever fired a rifle at a target you know how long it takes to simply line up the shot and there's no way in this case he shot Kennedy from there in the time that he did....3 shots in 6 seconds including reload time after each shot and the 3rd shot was perfect....in reality the first shot would be the best and here the first shot misses Kennedy and the car completely.....and the fatal headshot clearly hits Kennedy in the front right and knocks his head backwards and to the left....point of impact.....Oswald supposedly shot him in the back of the head.....then there's the magic bullet theory how it zig zags all over the place....come on now it was an obvious cover up! And I don't believe in outlandish coincidences dovetailing perfectly at a specific moment, nor do I believe that the laws of physics can be broken or changed at will.....I do however believe that smart people are very coy and will tell you what you want to hear publicly but will have a very different face privately....I also believe that there's alot of not so smart people out there that blindly believe what they are told.

It's just the inquisitive ones who use their own thinking and draw up their own conclusions based off of probability versus fact are very much in the minority so unless the government admits any wrong doing the truth will never be common knowledge.....9/11 was also nothing more than a glorified demolition job and if it wasn't then why wasn't the fireman on duty that day talking to the press saying he heard what sounded like bombs going off in the WTC basement ever shown on the news ? After all it's relevant and he was there that day. Also to say them planes hit the top half of the towers they came down awfully surgically it was so clean it was almost like poetry in motion. I'm just amazed that the majority of people don't pick up on these little discrepancies and I'm even more amazed how quickly people are ready and willing to blindly believe what their government tells them.

[Raven]

I watched a documentary today which was made very recently (it was filmed in HD) and was shown on th history channel....basically it was a bunch of tests to debunk the conspiracy theories and to see how the shots from the book depository and the grassy knoll would have compared using full scale recreation and a dummy made to resemble a human head as closely as possible....and they concluded that the shot came from the book depository.....but....what they did was they used the same rifle as Oswald but used modern scopes....and as far as the grassy knoll shot goes they "demonstrated" how that shot despite being the easiest shot and with the most control over proceedings (therefore realistically the most likely shot but this isn't mentioned) would have literally blown Kennedy's head off and how the exit wound would have killed Jackie Kennedy too had that been the case....and then they compared all of this with the Zupruder film footage....however....they didn't actually show the Zupruder film head shot "out of respect" it was a digital recreation and not even a good one.....yet they did show Kennedy from the Zupruder footage where he was struck in the throat, suffering and holding his neck at the point of impact (front of the neck by the way and not the back of the neck, again this isn't explained at all....the body goes to the point of impact where the pain is automatically).....they also didn't show the footage or explain properly how or why his head went back and to the left from the headshot and apparently the dummies they made for the tests were unable to reflect this movement.....they also never explain why the secret service wiped the car clean at the hospital despite the fact that the limo was a crime scene.

FYI the program in question is available on newsgroups it's called JFK Inside The Target Car.

The headshot is the most crucial part of the whole thing and the bullet wound depicted here is totally inconsistent with where the bullet hits Kennedy in the Zupruder film.....and again how did his head go backwards and to the left if he wasn't hit from the front right....Kennedy was clearly struck on the corner of his head and their mock up suggested that he was taken at more side on conveniently implicating Jackie Kennedy as being in the line of fire if he was shot from grassy knoll when the Zupruder film clearly shows Kennedy being shot from the front right on the corner of his head and his head being jolted backwards and to the left due to point of impact.....and Jackie Kennedy is unharmed from any possible exit wound......the bullet clearly comes from front right you can see it clear as day where the bullet hits him and from which direction it was coming from when the bullet strikes.....the shot from the book depository based on what can see from the Zupruder film shows not only that the shot didn't come from behind but also shows to me that the shot from the depository to hit how it did just is not possible let alone very likely....just like the magic bullet fiasco.

I can buy the explanation of the 4 odd gunshots being or sounding like echoes due to the buildings around the area basically acting as an echo chamber....fair enough....but looking at the Zupruder live footage I can't buy that the shot came from the book depository as it clearly shows Kennedy being hit in the front of the head and not the back, the crucial part of the Zupruder film isn't shown on public tv because it shows the direct point of impact of where the bullet actually came from and it's clear to see it's certainly anything but from behind......

If anyone can give a clear and concise explanation as to how this shot from the depository is possible to hit the way it did in the Zupruder film then I will gladly hear it and entertain the possibility, however until then it's simple - a picture speaks a thousand words.

[jerrell]

Raven, I could not agree with you more, especially about the shot to the head. Unless everyone is not seeing this but he was hit at the front of the head.

[localarif]

my view

i just think there are a lot of wackos out there, and you really cant legislate for nutbars.

[Raven]

Say what you want about nutbars they're all the same on the surface but you can't turn a Mars bar into a Snickers!

There are alot of whackos out there but none of them have the power to change the laws of physics....the CIA apparently do!

And if JFK and his brother and son aswell as Martin Luther King were killed by lonely, crazy people then why is it that all these people targeted and killed all posed a threat to the war mongers and money men in the government apparatus ? The link is these murdered leaders were committed to change and peace which made them dangerous to the people in the government who are committed to war and the money it generates.

Basically anyone with a truly open mind and half a brain in their heads about how the world really is behind closed doors will know that the Kennedy assassination was a coup de tat and was covered up. The others are either blind sheep that like to be led on and told what's what by their leaders or are the ones who over analyse things and lose the point....one look at the official story and then one look at the Zapruder film is all it should take to realise that something doesn't add up - watch the movie JFK which repeatedly shows the Zapruder footage and might well raise a few points you may be unaware of and remember one crucial fact of life - bullets are not boomerangs.

[hairyleaf]

Never forget the grassy knowl

[BalDEE]

i think Oswald did do the shooting but there was more than one shooter, will we ever know the truth.

[Raven]

Mate don't be so silly, okay if Oswald did the shooting (which he basically didn't though we may never receive official confirmation anymore) but if Oswald DID do the shooting then why do the CIA and company make a point of him acting alone and being the scapegoat ? it's obvious that whoever shot the president was not working alone and that there were other people there (spotters, radio people etc) it was a public execution that was planned and covered up by the shadow government that runs the world and all of this actually carried out by individuals in the CIA. The reason for all this was because Kennedy posed a serious threat to stopping the war.....this stuff goes much deeper than this and some of it you will either outright not believe because it's so outlandish, but look into it and especially go to youtube or google videos and type in dr steven greer and some of the things these people talk about really raises eyebrows....

They talk about how the shadow groups plan will be global terrorism, then third world concern, then asteroids, and finally alien invasion.....this was all said just before 9/11 by the way....and indeed it's a paraphrase of exactly what Werder Von Braughn (I think that's his name) said on his deathbed.....that they will eventually declare false alien invasion to scare the masses into this and that and weaponising space but the threat isn't true or of "alien" origin....it's a human effort as would the craft be...because think about it if the real alien beings were basically just like us, both socially and spiritually on the same level, then because of the way we have been acting towards them in the last 50 or 60 years this planet would be a smoking cinder in the middle of space somewhere by now and we wouldn't even be having this conversation or debate right now.....think about it.

I think it's funny how people go "oh we don't have anything that's capable of doing that!".....well....maybe not that you know of, for the most part everything that the public officially knows is basically nothing.

I'm going to steal a great phrase that I heard from the disclosure project meeting (which is covered on youtube I highly recommend watching it) but the phrase I'm going to say to you is.....absense of evidence does not mean evidence of absense.....you just think about that and remember 1 word; coverup.