kennedy assassination

[johnboy1974]

dont you think that after all these years someone would have spoken up about it after all there must have been many people involved if there was a plot to kill the president. remember they couldnt even keep a lid on clinton and lewinsky, whats chances of keeping it quiet when they murder the president. someone would have spoken by now even if it was only a deathbed confession. there was a section in the movie jfk where they show oswalds wife admitting he was a good husband but that she believed he was capable of killing the president.

[piopat]

it is true that oswalds wife did say at the time that she thought he was capable of killing ,but it has to be remembered that this woman had little or no english and was in a foreign country where her husband had been accused of two terrible crimes ,she was in fear of her life and also deportation .also she was in the full control of the fbi at all times after the assassination ,she has since retracted her statement and she has said that basicly she was coached in what to say to the press and the warren commision .she went along with it in fear of deportation back to russia.

one such statement was that she took the backyard photo (the famous one with lee holding the rifle) it must be stressed that she said she took one photo only ,but there would end up being three. (this is important ,as she had no knowledge of the other two photos) so who took the other two photos. the first photo was found by the police at the time of the assassination ,one was found in the possesion of george de mohrenchildts in the 70s and there is also a third photo .it seems clear that at the time the fbi had no knowledge of other photos ,so they coached marina to say she took the photo ,the other two turning up years later put the tuth to the lie. in marinas own words (i tried to prove to everyone i was worthy of living in my new country ,i bent over backward to please people ) clearly she did what ever she felt she needed to do stay in the country.

its a lot easier to keep a secret if most of the people involved are dead (dead men tell no tales) and quite a few people who had important things to say are no longer around to say these things .

"Disappearing Witnesses: what does "justice" mean w.r.t. assassination?", by Penn Jones Jr.

the house select committe on assassinations in the 70s accepted accoustical evidence of more than three shots and also accepted that atleast one shot came from the grassy knoll area ,they also came to the conclussion that there was a conspiracy ,but they chose to word it as a probable conspiracy.

at the end of the day a person will believe what they want to believe or what they were led to belive .as they say you can bring a horse to water but you cant make him drink , the truth is out there all people have to do is look for it ,or not as the case may be.


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[johnboy1974]

im very sure that if every person who was involved in the conspiracy was killed then we would definitly have heard about that before now.

[piopat]

we have been hearing about the death threaths and the deaths of witnesses to the assassination and the deaths of people like clay shaw/dave ferrie/guy bannister (who would have had first hand knowledge ) for over 40 years .so its hardly just now that we are hearing about it.

[BRASS EAGLE]

Naw man ..Dig up Tagart he would solve it,,THERES BEEN A MURDER

[piopat]

look below and you will see a second rifle in the texas school book depository ,47 years later we are still being told there was one rifle and oswald owns it and fired it at jfk. i have two questions who fired the second rifle (couldnt be oswald ) and wouldnt two rifles and two shooters better explain all the wounds on jfk and connally. look for your self.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WQr4y1j4Gw]YouTube - The depository revisited - Alyea#2[/ame]

the man in the video is roger craig here is a bit more info about him

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcraigR.htm

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[piopat]

i just thought i would bump this thread to see if anyone has any thoughts on the jfk assassination ,and ive added a bit to it about marina and the backyard photos and the rifle seen in it .

the backyard photographs are photographs purportedly taken by marina oswald of lee oswald holding a rifle .

there are a few problems with the photographs so ill talk about a few of those problems . marina oswald initialy claimed she had taken only one photograph but atleast two more would be found and she then changed that story and claimed she took all the photographs .

to add to that when questioned about the camera marina didnt know how to operate the camera in that she didnt know if one looked down into a view finder or raised the camera up to their eye

a piece of marinas hsca testimony
Q. This camera, do you recall whether to take pictures with this camera, you would look down into the viewfinder or
whether you would hold the camera up to your eye and look straight ahead?
A. I just recall I think it is straight.
Q. You would put the camera up by your eye?
A. Yes

she was wrong ,the camera had a view finder which you looked down in to ,here is a picture of the same model of camera marina supposedly used.


to add to her not knowing which end of the camera to look into she didnt know what colour the camera was .

a piece from marinas hsca testimony
Q. Do you remember what color the camera was?
A. I think it was black.
Q. Do you remember anything else about it?
A. Not the name; no. But again, since I am not expert with the camera, that is what I remember, I think?

she was wrong about the colour of the camera ,oswalds camera was silver ,here is a picture of the real oswald camera.


another problem with her testimony is that she claimed she had her back to the staircase (the staircase is clearly seen in the backyard photographs ) meaning the staircase was behind her which would mean the staircase could not appear in any of the photographs. lets have a look at one of the backyard photographs


now its easy for anyone to see that the staircase is quite clearly in front and to the left of the photographer in all 3 photographs ,the photographer did not have their back to the staircase ,so it is my opinion based on the photographs in evidence and marinas own testimony that she did not take these photographs .if marina did indeed take photographs (with her back to the stairs )it was a different set of photos and she used a completely different camera ,however its difficult to believe she took any photographs of oswald . oswald during interrogation said the photos were fake and that his head was superimposed on someone elses body ,and that he would prove this in court but of course he would not live to see the inside of a court house .

here is an interesting picture of the rifle that resides in the national archives (top) and the rifle in the backyard photographs (bottom).

[racin-snake]

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/evidence-of-revision/

this is a great piece of work
shows a much deeper look at the goings on and the evidence not provided by the warren commission too
subjects covered are vast and quite interesting
well worth the watch

[piopat]

yes they are excelent documentaries i highly recommend them ,people will learn little from the discovery channel documentaries such as jfk inside the target car as they dont really examine/discuss evidence other than the oswald did it alone scenario .

[piopat]

roger craig always maintained the rifle found in the texas school book depository was a mauser and that it was found at 1.06 pm, and not 1.16pm as the warren commision claimed . he gave the time of 1.06 because an officer came from the command center up to the sixth floor and told will fritz that an officer had been shot in the oak cliff area (this was j d tippit) and craig noted the time as 1.06 pm and he said the rifle was found at this time .

is there any evidence that supports a time of 1.06 for the finding of a rifle ?(i say a rifle because there may have been 2 if craig is correct ) there is indeed evidence that a rifle was found at about 1.06 pm .luke mooney is the man who found the snipers nest which contained the spent shells ,he found the snipers nest at 1.00pm or maybe just before it ,

Mr. Ball. About what time of day was this?Mr. Mooney. Well, it was approaching 1 o'clock. It could have been 1 o'clock.Mr. Ball. Did you look at your watch?Mr. Mooney. No, sir; I didn't. I should have, but I didn't look at my watch at the time to see what time it was.Mr. Ball. Were you the only officer in that corner?Mr. Mooney. At that very moment I was.

is there any other evidence that would show mooney to correct about the time of the finding of the shells at 1.00pm ? ,yes there is when mooney found the snipers nest he shouted out the open window to tell the officers below he had found it

I went straight across to the southeast corner of the building, and I saw all these high boxes. Of course they were stacked all the way around over there. And I squeezed between two. And the minute I squeezed between these two stacks of boxes, I had to turn myself sideways to get in there that is when I saw the expended shells and the boxes that were stacked up looked to be a rest for the weapon. And, also, there was a slight crease in the top box. Whether the recoil made the crease or it was placed there before the shots were fired, I don't know. But, anyway, there was a very slight crease in the box, where the rifle could have lain--at the same angle that the shots were fired from.
So, at that time, I didn't lay my hands on anything, because I wanted to save every evidence we could for fingerprints. So I leaned out the window, the same window from which the shots were fired, looked down, and I saw Sheriff Bill Decker and Captain Will Fritz standing right on the ground.
Well, so I hollered, or signaled I hollered, I more or less hollered. I whistled a time or two before I got anybody to see me. And yet they was all looking that way, too except the sheriff, they wasn't looking up.
looked down, and I saw Sheriff Bill Decker and Captain Will Fritz standing right on the ground

he looked out the window and looked down and saw will fritz arriving ,what time did will fritz arrive ? .will fritz was at the trade mart when he heard jfk was shot and he went from there to parklands and then onto elm street and the book depository (he noted the times of these events )

Mr. Ball. Did you go directly to a building?Mr. Fritz. Directly to the Texas School Book Depository Building.Mr. Ball. What time did you arrive there?Mr. Fritz. Well, sir; we arrived there---we arrived at the hospital at 12:45, if you want that time, and at the scene of the offense at 12:58.Mr. Ball. 12:58; the Texas School Book Depository Building.Mr. Fritz. Yes.Mr. Ball. Were there any officers there at the time?Mr. Fritz. Yes, sir.Mr. Ball. In the front?Mr. Fritz. Several officers; yes, sir.

Mr. Fritz. Well, sir; we arrived there---we arrived at the hospital at 12:45, if you want that time, and at the scene of the offense at 12:58.

so the snipers nest and shells were found between 12.58 and 1.00 as mooney said and he saw fritz arriving below him
who noted the time as 12.58 . the rifle was found about 5 to 6 minutes after the shells (which shows roger craig to be accurate in his noting of the time as 1.06 which coincided with the news of tippits shooting ) this means that if a rifle was indeed found at about 1.16 pm that there were two rifles .if only one rifle was found at 1.06 it means they fabricated the timing of it being found to 1.16 in order to make it look like oswald had the time to reach tenth and patton .

also all most all the witnesses to tippits killing put the time of the killing (or having heard the shots) at 1.00 pm or shortly afterwards ,markham said it was 1.06 ,benavides had been helping someone with a stalled car in the vicinity of tenth street at 1.00pm he drove a few blocks to his place of work to get info about a part and then was on tenth and patton a few minutes later when the shooting occured ,this puts him there at the same time as markham about 1.06 .barbar davis said she heard shots shortly after 1.00pm ,ted calloway and sam guinyard both said they heard the shots about 1.00pm ,t f bowley arrives at tenth and patton after tippit has been shot and looks at his watch the time was 1.10 . benavides had witnessed the killing and had stayed in his truck untill he felt safe to leave he then goes to help tippit and from there he goes to tippits car and tries to call for help on tippits radio (he has difficulty doing this ) this is when bowley arrives at 1.10 which i estimate is upwards of 4 minutes after the shooting .

a second rifle being found does not mean oswald was innocent but it does mean a conspiracy as atleast two people were firing at jfk ,if two rifles were found why did the the commision/dpd etc lie about it ,the commision testimony indicates oswald was standing at a bus stop out side his rooming house at 1.03 maybe 1.04 and there is no possible way for him to have walked or ran just over a mile (to where tippit was shot ) in 2 to 3 minutes .this again does not exonerate oswald becuase its reasonable to believe if he was firing at jfk with a second man that this man could have givin him a ride to tenth and patton ,however i dont believe he fired any shots at anyone that day and was what he said he was a patsy .

[bowie]

all your answers here [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6naJ08Tskk"]YouTube - ***x202a;JFK assination - Red Dwarf - BBC comedy***x202c;‏[/ame]

[nara]

all your answers here

"It'll drive all those conspiracy nuts crazy"

Classic line from Lister!

[piopat]

guys i bumped this thread for people like my self who want to discuss the jfk assassination and the murders of officer j d tippit and lee oswald .

[bowie]

sorry, my bad

[piopat]

no problem bowie ,i like a laugh and joke as much as anyone . but i frequent a lot of jfk forums and post on a few and quite a lot people only post to disrupt a thread or to simply annoy a particular person on the thread (im not saying you were doing that ) and some times that makes it difficult to have a serious discussion about the evidence in this case . i hope some members on dk will post on this thread no matter if they believe in conspiracy or not .

by the way congrats on winning the the premiership ,im a liverpool fan so i hope we do a little bit better next season ,talk soon.