The end of the cardsharing era

[Shady]

is pick tv still blocked with cccam? are ANY servers still running cccam?

[japonesirado]

In my country, Brazil, CCCam is working fine.

[dctyper]

is pick tv still blocked with cccam? are ANY servers still running cccam?

still blocked, im running cccam


shit channel anyway

dc

[garry1312]

I dont think its coming to a end anytime soon, even if they manage to block CCcam then another cam will be the solution.

Oscam was the solution for the full Picktv issue.

Since I started doing this all I have heard is tales of it coming to a end.

As someone else mentioned to completely stop it there would need to be a lot of work put in from the providers so we are not going to see it coming to a end in the near future.

[Shady]

just thought most servers had switched over to oscam now due to th issues with pick tv.. agree its a shite channel, but the chatter was that it was being run as a testbed for new encrytpion

[dctyper]

ill change when needed


dc

[zaf786]

All good things come to an end eventully enjoy it while it,s here

[dctyper]

All good things come to an end eventully enjoy it while it,s here

yeh ,like the ability to get a hard on

dc

[garry1312]

I am that concerned about card sharing coming to a end in the near future that im going to buy a new receiver tomorrow

[irishbluestaffy]

y would u buy a new box the world is going to end next year.

[garry1312]

ooh thats right i forgot about that better save my money

[charlievarley]

It really depends on what you mean by cardsharing !

If you mean small private shares running 15-20 clients then yes, that will likely come to an end fairly soon. If, on the other hand your asking about the large cardshare outfits then no, its unlikely to end in the next 5 years.

The reason is simple. Cards need to be able to operate in todays multi-tuner box environment. That means a card must be able to handle at least three seperate streams at the same time which means there is always potential to share. The smaller single card sharing systems are unlikely to be economical because the cards will be limited in the clients they can support - not many people are going to bother if their card will only support 1 extra client.

The bigger systems work differently so although it will be more expensive to operate such a system its still more than possible. Instead of one card per transponder (8-10 channels) you may require 3 cards per transponder.

This situation cannot really change until the set-top boxes are themselves made secure. That would require every one of the presently insecure set top boxes to be swapped out for newer models - something thats very unlikely in any timescale less than 5 years, especially as the newer boxes going out at the moment are themselves insecure.

nb, in theory it could be possible to fundamentally change the way cs works for private groups such that everybody in the group continuously serves at least one (different) channel from a card. A group on 40-50 persons would then get 40-50 channels etc. This would actually be true cardsharing rather than the present share/leach arrangement. Unfortunately, of course, the providers tend to 'bundle' their products into packages rather than allow people to purchase just one channel which means the system would have much duplication of subscription, so not cheap to the end members.

Yep interesting read indeed, however I would have though they could improve the card security by locking the card to a combined mac id and board serial number, this would then limit the cloning of macs to share the card.

I am sure what ever happens will not happen soon

[TheCoder]

Yep interesting read indeed, however I would have though they could improve the card security by locking the card to a combined mac id and board serial number, this would then limit the cloning of macs to share the card.

Whatever they attempted to lock it to can be faked easily enough so it really doesn't get them anywhere. For any chance of success the boxes themselves need to contain secure data which cannot be read or copied. Its easy enough to do but not in the present generation of boxes.

The card, btw, is already locked to the box serial No and an equivelent of a MacId but, because of the insecurity of the box, its a fairly simple matter to get the proper info and 'clone' it.

[TheCoder]

y would u buy a new box the world is going to end next year.

Pointless saving your money then. You may as well spend it while you can !

[garry1312]

Pointless saving your money then. You may as well spend it while you can !

Exactly