Is this the End or The End is Nigh

[digicon]

did they not do somehing like that with nova where you could not get the hd channels or was that fixed

Different Encryption system and No the HD variants of the channels are still Blocked

[davvo]

viasat HD done the same thing and the algo has been
cracked

total tv did this aswell and thats been cracked 2

[popi110]

I had the email and also a letter from sly as in digicons post so i provided the info im out of the uk till tomorrow so it will be intresting to see if my
entitlements update in dream box tomorrow if poss im going to try to avoid putting the card in its own box

[TheCoder]

totally agree with its a scam too many people manufacture boxes and make big money, security is only as good as its coder and there are a lot of good coders around .......

Security isn't really about 'coders' these days - there are plenty of extremely secure algorithms around that have never been cracked (and are unlikely to be any time soon). Even N1's good old DES algorithm isn't routinely cracked in any useful timeframe. With things like 3DES, IDEA and RSA you simply have no hope of algorithmically cracking.

Its all about whether you can extract keysets & certificates. In the case of sly's HD boxes the actual processor has certificates built right into its silicon along with instructions (not code, but single processor instructions) for manipulating those certificates (ie, one instruction might take a 64 byte string and encrypt it using the unique certificate). Dumping these certificates isn't possible because there's nothing to dump -its all internal to the silicon. The only alternative is to reverse the actual silicon itself and even if you do all you get is one unique certificate - easily revoked without affecting any other box.

Ultimately, this type of technology will possibly lead to cardless boxes, likely working in a similar fashion to the topuptv security model where everything is verified and confirmed by the provider/box via something akin to a secure ssl tunneled internet link.

[Manic01]

Cardless is def way to go.

[Ragnarok]

I saw that on another forum but to me, it looks very much like the Viasat situation

It's a new custom solution for Sly UK, all providers get there own vairations of the Videoguard system. It's unknown if the it's hardware pairing is in the UK mix. It looks like it's going to be for the catch up TV update.

Lets assume whatever it is will be applied to all HD channels in the near future. as the doc seems to suggest.

Ether way it looks like a new algorithm within the box, Viasat Uses hardware keys invisible to the User but the algorithm is public. if you know a clever bastard who still has there Samsung Viasat box on old software and knows what they are doing in the linux console accessible via the serial port inside, You can get the hardware keys for Viasat HD and stick them in newcs or oscam and HD channels will open.

Thomson HD boxes look like they won't get an update and will cease to work with HD too, which is a real shame as they are the ones that can be dumped easily.

Non upto date sky HD boxes will lose HD channels in the near future, Emu's will too unless this algorithm is dumped along with any other potential pairing keys.

[blueflash234]

Different Encryption system and No the HD variants of the channels are still Blocked

so it does not look good for the future?

[Becca86]

So is it worth buying my bf a new solo2 for Xmas or a duo2 after the new year or will I be buying a glorified door stop in a month or 2?

Just this happened to me a few year bk when I got him a new box an nag3 hit a few month later

[digicon]

So is it worth buying my bf a new solo2 for Xmas or a duo2 after the new year or will I be buying a glorified door stop in a month or 2?

Just this happened to me a few year bk when I got him a new box an nag3 hit a few month later

I think you are confusing what the Solo2 and Duo2 are actually designed for. There main selling point is that they are Free To Air satellite receivers only sold to competent enthusiasts and nothing else.


What people do with them afterwards such as load 3rd party unofficial firmware and cams is entirely up to the end user and that is there decision, Lets not compare these receivers with the likes of the Kryptview/Starview which where manufactured with one purpose in mind.

If you purchase your BF one for christmas at least if everything goes Tit's up then at least he will be able to use it as a Glorified Freesat receiver. Nothing in this life is guaranteed

[redondo5]

i sense a purification process ahead. both for uncle rupert and the enthusiasts. having said that, i think that will only come about when they can lock all channels including SD.

[Rodbouy]

I think you are confusing what the Solo2 and Duo2 are actually designed for. There main selling point is that they are Free To Air satellite receivers only sold to competent enthusiasts and nothing else.


What people do with them afterwards such as load 3rd party unofficial firmware and cams is entirely up to the end user and that is there decision, Lets not compare these receivers with the likes of the Kryptview/Starview which where manufactured with one purpose in mind.

If you purchase your BF one for christmas at least if everything goes Tit's up then at least he will be able to use it as a Glorified Freesat receiver. Nothing in this life is guaranteed

Let be real here tho, do you think of cs was wiped on on the major cards they would sustain a constant supply of boxes at that price ?

Ofcourse their political stance is a freesat receiver, but let's face it. No its not.

What I don't understand is why only hd ? Why not just pair the whole card to the box knocking off everything ?

I don't buy the we only care about hd, and the off chance they will switch of the sd equivalent any more.

As for that to happen will take a very long time. So why wait when you can knock more off sooner.

[glen321]

no hd content

hi guys has the hd content of s*y been hit today not on movies or sport thanks

[jw2000uk]

hi guys has the hd content of s*y been hit today not on movies or sport thanks

Hhmmmm.. Ok then!

[Murf22]

What I don't understand is why only hd ? Why not just pair the whole card to the box knocking off everything ?

I don't buy the we only care about hd, and the off chance they will switch of the sd equivalent any more.

As for that to happen will take a very long time. So why wait when you can knock more off sooner.

i think they can only "tamper" with their own premium channels.. can they really turn off all the sd.. what about freesat users? surely they won't be expected to have to shell out for new hd boxes.. isn't there some higher power which would block this? (isn't freesat government sponsored or something)

imagine the outcry - just got past the digital switch over in many places and some would have gone the freesat route.. so soon after being advised by [government sponsored..?] adverts and now they gotta shell out again..?

there is info which certainly seems to suggests the pairing system is/has changing/changed.. which explains why it's only effecting premium channels.. but those aren't just hd channels.. there's a small few sd channels which are effected too. [history being one example]

I don't think they will have any trouble forcing people on to new hd boxes - they may even market it as switching off sd.. but they'll get away with it because people won't have to go out any buy new TV's.. all official boxes have scart output so no customers will be 'put out' so it's not unreasonable to expect customers to accept the 'free gift'.. Your old box does not support the new software.. here's a free upgrade. = Job done.

[digicon]

i think they can only "tamper" with their own premium channels.. can they really turn off all the sd.. what about freesat users? surely they won't be expected to have to shell out for new hd boxes.. isn't there some higher power which would block this? (isn't freesat government sponsored or something)

imagine the outcry - just got past the digital switch over in many places and some would have gone the freesat route.. so soon after being advised by [government sponsored..?] adverts and now they gotta shell out again..?

2 Totally different company's or i should say EPG system one run and owned by BskyB and the other BBC & ITV (Freesat) let us not forget both of these only lease transponder space on 28.2 east which in turn is owned by Astra 2A,2B,1N,2F and eutalsat 28a and 28b

so no sly cant do diddly jack squat with any HD or SD channels which are on the Freesat platform on the other hand it can do what ever it likes with its own channel package