Best Twin Box (2016) with Satellite And Cable and Recorder

[happy_highlander]

Plug and play tuners, none are fixed. Buy it with however many tuners you want, same goes for the xtrend 10000 but that has 4 plug and play tuner slots so you could have 8 tuners if you like allowing you to watch 1 and record at least 7. Full band tuners have also been released for certain boxes can't remember of the top of my head which makes that allow recording or watching more than 1 channel per tuner. You have loads of choices and need to read and understand what all your options are but one consistent part is you will need one connection per channel for the part we can't discuss if you are expecting the channels to be watchable

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[clarkenuttal]

Plug and play tuners, none are fixed. Buy it with however many tuners you want, same goes for the xtrend 10000 but that has 4 plug and play tuner slots so you could have 8 tuners if you like allowing you to watch 1 and record at least 7. Full band tuners have also been released for certain boxes can't remember of the top of my head which makes that allow recording or watching more than 1 channel per tuner. You have loads of choices and need to read and understand what all your options are but one consistent part is you will need one connection per channel for the part we can't discuss if you are expecting the channels to be watchable

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Oh!!! So just splitting the cables and using them as input wont make it watch and record at same time? Every input would require its own individual connection?

[happy_highlander]

Yes. Apart from the new full band tuners. Eg. Two sat tuners (twin) will require two cables from dish. Cable is slightly different as the single input is split at the first connection box on your outside wall with the relevant splitter 4 or 2 way unless using 2 single tuner dvb/c then you can loop through one tuner to the second tuner. But the basics are one cable per channel and one connection for your other part that can't be discussed per channel

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[clarkenuttal]

Yes. Apart from the new full band tuners. Eg. Two sat tuners (twin) will require two cables from dish. Cable is slightly different as the single input is split at the first connection box on your outside wall with the relevant splitter 4 or 2 way unless using 2 single tuner dvb/c then you can loop through one tuner to the second tuner. But the basics are one cable per channel and one connection for your other part that can't be discussed per channel

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Thanks a lot!!!!! It seems more complicated than I thought it would be. Please give me suggestion on following:
I currently have cable and dish. If I used Vuo + Duo2 with extra Tuner Card (will then have 4 inputs in total) then can I use 1 input from dish and use a splitter to split Cable into 3 separate cables from within the house (i.e split the single cable in the house to make it 3 different outputs rather than the box outside)?
I may be wrong but if this works then by doing so I may have 1 live channel (dish or cable) and 3 other channels recording (regardless of the connection for part we are not suppose to discuss)

[happy_highlander]

Thanks a lot!!!!! It seems more complicated than I thought it would be. Please give me suggestion on following:
I currently have cable and dish. If I used Vuo + Duo2 with extra Tuner Card (will then have 4 inputs in total) then can I use 1 input from dish and use a splitter to split Cable into 3 separate cables from within the house (i.e split the single cable in the house to make it 3 different outputs rather than the box outside)?
I may be wrong but if this works then by doing so I may have 1 live channel (dish or cable) and 3 other channels recording (regardless of the connection for part we are not suppose to discuss)

Yes you can do that with the cables if the cable signal is strong enough to allow a 4 way splitter, but you can't have that configuration on the duo2 as it only has 2 tuner slots so you are limited to 2 sat and 2 cable or 4 of the same. (Unless you want to add a usb cable tuner which would give you 3 cable and 2 sat) the extrend 10000 has 4 tuner slots which would allow this configuration but please take into account you can lose approx 5db signal strength per port depending on the quality of the splitter. So you could in essence reduce your cable signal strength by 20db by adding a four way splitter so be prepared to have to fork out for a signal booster.

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[clarkenuttal]

Yes you can do that with the cables if the cable signal is strong enough to allow a 4 way splitter, but you can't have that configuration on the duo2 as it only has 2 tuner slots so you are limited to 2 sat and 2 cable or 4 of the same. (Unless you want to add a usb cable tuner which would give you 3 cable and 2 sat) the extrend 10000 has 4 tuner slots which would allow this configuration but please take into account you can lose approx 5db signal strength per port depending on the quality of the splitter. So you could in essence reduce your cable signal strength by 20db by adding a four way splitter so be prepared to have to fork out for a signal booster.
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Once again big thanks for such informative answer. Do you know how much does signal booster costs and whats the best place to buy one from? I've googled Signal Amplifier and it comes up as 20db roughly ?5 not sure if its exactly what you referred to as signal booster?

[happy_highlander]

Once again big thanks for such informative answer. Do you know how much does signal booster costs and whats the best place to buy one from? I've googled Signal Amplifier and it comes up as 20db roughly ?5 not sure if its exactly what you referred to as signal booster?

You may not need one as I have a 4 way splitter on my cable and get away with it but most people who do, use a konig yellow brick, if you have a vermin tv box look on the back of it to see if it has an attenuator (little metal box thing between cable and receiver) this will have a number on it in db. If it's 10 or 20 then your signal is fairly strong and needs reduced for the single connection. By adding a splitter that will do the job of the attenuator so add your splitter and make your new connections then remove the existing attenuator and you should be good to go. Don't worry what signal strength is showing on receiver, if the picture isn't breaking up it's fine

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[digicon]

Just My opinion you would be better with a Vu+ due to the fact that they are one of a few company's who do P&P Dual tuners for DVB-C/T/T2 so for cable you only need one feed into the tuner as the tuner card does the splitting internally thus negating the need for any more splitters and possibly losing another 3-4db signal loss.

AFAIAA Xtrend do not make a 'Dual' tuner so as HH says you need 1 feed per tuner which could result in more problems

[clarkenuttal]

Just My opinion you would be better with a Vu+ due to the fact that they are one of a few company's who do P&P Dual tuners for DVB-C/T/T2 so for cable you only need one feed into the tuner as the tuner card does the splitting internally thus negating the need for any more splitters and possibly losing another 3-4db signal loss.

AFAIAA Xtrend do not make a 'Dual' tuner so as HH says you need 1 feed per tuner which could result in more problems

So do you mean I wont require separate feed if I need to record and watch live TV (Both on same mode i.e. Cable/SAT?). I want to use Vu+ Duo2 with extra PnP tuner card for combination of Cable and Satellite with an option of recording 2-3 channels while watching another one. HH suggested that to achieve recording and live viewing I will need 1 feed for each channel (recording or live) and Only one type of feed can fit each tuner (Sat or Cable). Thus if my understanding is correct I will need 4 feeds which can be combination of 4 Cables/SAT or 2 Cable/2 SAT which would require splitting?

[happy_highlander]

So do you mean I wont require separate feed if I need to record and watch live TV (Both on same mode i.e. Cable/SAT?). I want to use Vu+ Duo2 with extra PnP tuner card for combination of Cable and Satellite with an option of recording 2-3 channels while watching another one. HH suggested that to achieve recording and live viewing I will need 1 feed for each channel (recording or live) and Only one type of feed can fit each tuner (Sat or Cable). Thus if my understanding is correct I will need 4 feeds which can be combination of 4 Cables/SAT or 2 Cable/2 SAT which would require splitting?

What digicon is telling you is that the vu+ twin cable tuner can split the signal internally so would only require one cable feed to allow watching/recording of two channels on the cable side. You would then be left with twin sat tuner which will require 2 feeds from the dish. However you won't get your 3 cable channels and 1 sat with that configuration unless you add a usb cable tuner, which will require its own separate cable feed.

Digicon extrend have an external loop through on p&p cable tuners if mounted in the correct slots but not sure if cable loop through will give full band (I know sat doesn't) if full band is possible then only one feed per 2 single cable tuners on extrend as well when using the loopthrough cable that comes with the receiver.

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[digicon]

The VU+ dual tuners also have a loop through on the P&P tuners.

OP give this some thought buy your self the Vu+ Ultimo 4k UHD receiver this has 3 x P&P slots 2 of which can utilise FBC tuners from both Satellite and cable so here is the scenario.

Vu+ Ultimo 4K UHD P&P Tuner Slot 1 (FBC) install Dual satellite FBC tuner this will give you 8 Tuners per input so a total of 16 tuners from 2 feeds if used with the correct type of LNB, Normal LNB will give you 4 tuners per input (8 in total)

Vu+ Ultimo 4K UHD P&P Tuner Slot 2 (FBC) install Single FBC DVB-C/T/T2 tuner only 1 feed required but will give you 8 tuners in total

which ever Linux Enigma2 receiver you buy just to let you know you can only have a maximum of 5 actual (Physical) Tuners installed this is a limitation of Enigma2 software and not the hardware.

[clarkenuttal]

The VU+ dual tuners also have a loop through on the P&P tuners.

OP give this some thought buy your self the Vu+ Ultimo 4k UHD receiver this has 3 x P&P slots 2 of which can utilise FBC tuners from both Satellite and cable so here is the scenario.

Vu+ Ultimo 4K UHD P&P Tuner Slot 1 (FBC) install Dual satellite FBC tuner this will give you 8 Tuners per input so a total of 16 tuners from 2 feeds if used with the correct type of LNB, Normal LNB will give you 4 tuners per input (8 in total)

Vu+ Ultimo 4K UHD P&P Tuner Slot 2 (FBC) install Single FBC DVB-C/T/T2 tuner only 1 feed required but will give you 8 tuners in total

which ever Linux Enigma2 receiver you buy just to let you know you can only have a maximum of 5 actual (Physical) Tuners installed this is a limitation of Enigma2 software and not the hardware.

Thanks for detailed answer. Considering there's not many 4k channels and cost of Vu+ Ultimo 4k being ?450+ I would avoid it at this stage. Can same logic be applied on Vu+ Duo2? As in having an extra twin tuner instaled (that would give 4 inputs in total 2 for each SAT AND CABLE) And if what you said holds true for Vu+ Duo2 then I would then possibly have 16 SAT tuners (via 2 input on Tuner 1) and 8 Tuners via Input on Cable?
Also if my understanding is correct each tuner can handle either live TV or Recording so I can possibly have 7 Cable Recording simultaneously while 1 playing or 15 SAT recording simultaneously while 1 plays live OR a combination of SAT and Cable?

[digicon]

Afraid not the Duo2 has no FBC (Full Band capture) capability that was reserved for the newer models such as the Solo 4K,Uno 4k and the Ultimo 4K. the best you can get out of the Duo2 is 2 x Dual tuners which equals 4 sat tuners each with the possibility of recording 2 different channels per tuner so 8 programs in total and then an external USB DVB-C/T/T2 tuner giving you just 1 tuner available for cable duty.

Personally anyone who needs more than just 2 standard tuners must seriously watch some TV i have the Solo 4K and literally record nothing there is just way too much Crap broadcast as there is and with the advent of +1 and +2 and even +24 hour and Ondemand channels do people actually still record these days i certainly dont anything i miss is either repeated or ondemand.

[maca]

Spot on it's impossible to miss anything on TV. Plus there's nothing worth recording anyway its all repeats i have 2 tuners running "could have 4" 1 for sat and 1 for cable does me fine. I cant for the life of me think why people they need more than 2 thses days .

[Jimdefruit]

The Duo2 is well worth the money. It has slots for two twin tuners however, the cable tuner is only a single tuner but that can be remedied by fitting an extra USB cable tuner. I have a twin satellite tuner, a single cable tuner and a usb cable tuner fitted to my Duo2 and that gives me all I want.