No Clone Dreamboxes on Ebay

[mdt]

yeah there doesnt seem to be a problem with the second hand receivers. odd.

i just had my used protek unixbox pulled twice by ebay and got banned from selling although not buying for 7 days. ebay stated that they recieved a complaint from dmm and thats why they pulled it. i do agree with everyone that dmm products a very overpriced and although i accept that they probably pay the img teams for their work but a dm800hd se is nearly 3 times the price of a clone and im not having that they(dmm) are paying the sw developers that much money. even if dmm managed to stop all clones being made id bet that 9 out of 10 people wouldnt buy a original they would just go for a vu/tm/clark tech/q-box. regards mdt

[garry1312]

i just had my used protek unixbox pulled twice by ebay and got banned from selling although not buying for 7 days. ebay stated that they recieved a complaint from dmm and thats why they pulled it. i do agree with everyone that dmm products a very overpriced and although i accept that they probably pay the img teams for their work but a dm800hd se is nearly 3 times the price of a clone and im not having that they(dmm) are paying the sw developers that much money. even if dmm managed to stop all clones being made id bet that 9 out of 10 people wouldnt buy a original they would just go for a vu/tm/clark tech/q-box. regards mdt

Totally agree mate that yes they may have costs to pay but not as high for there receivers to cost what they do. The end of the day all companies have costs to pay and yes this needs to reflect on the product price but its no excuse to rip the piss.

The only way i think they stand a chance of fighting the clone market is by reducing there prices.

[RuberDuck]

VU must also pay image devleopment teams this is why they after the original DreamElite team split up, the Blackhole team got employed by VU.
They basically dont write images from scratch the hard work has already been by Dream, they just mod existing codebases to work on their recievers.
This is why Dream put a court injunction out against VU for using the Enigma 2 trademark.
Of course anyone can use a Broadcom chipset, the fact is the only reason everyone else uses Broadcom is because they know Dream have already paid Broadcom and produced working drivers so it's easy for them to utilise them without spending cash themselves to develop from scratch.
Dream hardware has never been the best, infact some of it is pretty underspecced for the price. Most of the cost you pay for the reciever goes towards software development costs.
I've never bought an orignal Dream product, as a hobbyist thyre just to expensive, so are VU products for that matter, i'd rather stick with DM clones, value for money cannot be beaten.

i think you will find that both xtrend and Vu reguraly develope and release their own drivers for their hardware.

[garry1312]

i think you will find that both xtrend and Vu reguraly develope and release their own drivers for their hardware.

Yeah i thought that, i dont think its safe to say they are dreambox clones. You could say yes they have stole dreams enigma so it will be interesting to see what way vu+ go after the dream v vu law suit. Anyone heard anymore news on that?

[wize]

Just had my old 500s pulled off ebay.

Thank you for your recent auction-style listing on eBay. The rights owner or an agent authorized to act on behalf of the rights owner, Dream Multimedia GmbH, notified eBay that this listing breaches intellectual property rights. When eBay receives a report of this type of breach, we remove the listing to comply with the law.
Questions about the specific violation should be addressed to Dream Multimedia GmbH

Looks like dream are really on the ball at the moment.

[garry1312]

Just had my old 500s pulled off ebay.

Thank you for your recent auction-style listing on eBay. The rights owner or an agent authorized to act on behalf of the rights owner, Dream Multimedia GmbH, notified eBay that this listing breaches intellectual property rights. When eBay receives a report of this type of breach, we remove the listing to comply with the law.
Questions about the specific violation should be addressed to Dream Multimedia GmbH

Looks like dream are really on the ball at the moment.

Yep looks like it mate. was it a original or clone you are selling?

Maybe try selling it within misc section on Ebay.... just on a off chance maybe dream are just looking under the sat category.

[wize]

Yes it was a clone mate, I think it could have been that I put a picture of it on with the box, they may have been able to pick up on the bar code on the box or something, just a guess anyway, I didnt state that it was a clone or made in china.

[sebraveheart]

Indeed! Bad luck

[garry1312]

Yes it was a clone mate, I think it could have been that I put a picture of it on with the box, they may have been able to pick up on the bar code on the box or something, just a guess anyway, I didnt state that it was a clone or made in china.

Do you get a refund from Ebay for your listing fee?

[wize]

Yes mate, got a full refund, never mind, I don't think that dmm will ever win the war on clones, I just took delivery of a lovely new dm800se clone from china, really pleased with it too, good build quality and performance but best of all the price was right

[garry1312]

Yeah I keep hearing its a cracking receiver, maybe I will list my Pro on Ebay and buy it...... ooh wait that wont work .

The only way I can see Dream winning the battle is if they lower the prices of there receivers, while they are charging the prices they do people you are going to get people going for a clone or another manufacturer.

The genuine Dreambox 800 se, whats the point in paying the asking price for that when you can get a clone one for ?145 including delivery from China or buy a Vu+ Duo twin tuner at less the price.

Its by time Dream wake up to this and the end of the day if they reduce there prices, take out the clone market this will only mean more customers for them and could possibly still hold on to the same profits they already receive.

[southpaw]

Yeah I keep hearing its a cracking receiver, maybe I will list my Pro on Ebay and buy it...... ooh wait that wont work .

The only way I can see Dream winning the battle is if they lower the prices of there receivers, while they are charging the prices they do people you are going to get people going for a clone or another manufacturer.

The genuine Dreambox 800 se, whats the point in paying the asking price for that when you can get a clone one for ?145 including delivery from China or buy a Vu+ Duo twin tuner at less the price.

Its by time Dream wake up to this and the end of the day if they reduce there prices, take out the clone market this will only mean more customers for them and could possibly still hold on to the same profits they already receive.

problem is they cant compete with the clone producers , due to much bigger running costs ,
i can sympathise with dream really , imagine inventing something , paying hundreds of thousands to research/build/market etc only for some back-street hong-kong swetshop to steal your invention and basically stealing your potential market , what i dont understand is why they dont take out law-suits against the actual clone manufacturer`s, surely intellectual property rights and design patents are legally binding globally

[garry1312]

problem is they cant compete with the clone producers , due to much bigger running costs ,
i can sympathise with dream really , imagine inventing something , paying hundreds of thousands to research/build/market etc only for some back-street hong-kong swetshop to steal your invention and basically stealing your potential market , what i dont understand is why they dont take out law-suits against the actual clone manufacturer`s, surely intellectual property rights and design patents are legally binding globally

I do feel for them and get what you are saying but I really do believe that Dream could lower there costs, I find it extremely hard to believe that so much money has went in for them to charge what they do. I dont expect them to drop to the price of a clone receiver but I think they are being greedy. Also after time there is not even much drop in price on there receivers as they get older.

Regarding the copyright I really dont know how that works with the chinese its as if they are untouchable and many other companies have issues with the Chinese cloning there products... Something I might look in to because as I said they seem untouchable as if there in a law of there own.

[southpaw]

i aint no financial expert but maybe back in the day they needed investment to research an design enigma1 or 2 , obviously these investors will want to see a nice return on there original investment ,
i recently lost a shipment of 10 dreamboxes due to copyright infringements etc , now i lost out on a fair few quid , yet my supplier got away scott free , and there the ones breaking the copyright , seems crazy really , surely there crime is as much if not more serious than mine

[sonic99]

It's swings and roundabouts mate, without the clone market their product would've be dead and buried a long time ago. AND lets face it, they're not going to get into a massive legal haggle when they know full well what 99% of their boxes are used for.