The flu jab ? should you get it?

[racin-snake]

can you provide some evidence that Thiomersal has caused any deaths or problems?
which would seem to be more to the point.

on the other hand ..if it was safe and caused no problems or ill effects ..WHY remove it from paediatric dosed of the influenza vaccine ?

and as for the W.H.O they have a clear history of exaggeration and doctoring figures inc the AIDS/HIV data they released in consecutive years which is proven

so why would you STAND as you put it with blatant liars
at very least proven to be economical with the truth ?

also i might add the WHO has also recommended the removal of all mercury from vaccines

there exact WHO recommendatory allowance for (human) mercury intake is in fact 0% RDA

http://www.who.int/phe/news/Mercury-flyer.pdf

so they are also saying that no mercury should be ingested let alone intramuscular injections
yet stand firmly on the fence over Thiomersal use in vaccines saying if you read they are watching the outcome ... of tests

organo mercury Thoimosal is also a possible Immuno suppressant and given to people with already weakened immune response due to old age chronic illness also who they regard as Immuno deficient ?

why then are the us intending this as a coarse of action if the product is in fact safe as been stated by some here ?

FDA is continuing its efforts toward reducing or removing thimerosal from all existing vaccines. Much progress has been made to date. FDA has been actively working with manufacturers, particularly those that manufacture childhood vaccines, to reach the goal of eliminating thimerosal from vaccines, and has been collaborating with other PHS agencies to further evaluate the potential health effects of thimerosal. In this regard, all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age or younger and marketed in the U.S. contain no thimerosal or only trace amounts (1 microgram or less mercury per dose), with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine, which was first recommended by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices in 2004 for routine use in children 6 to 23 months of age.


so my uneducated and lazy friend

FACTS ...NOT ! your one solid belief in one study based on the provided and unsubstantiated statistics of 250,000 to 500,00 deaths from influenza which I might add is all strains bearing in mind the jabs are mostly for to be used on current or seasonal outbreaks and are virtually useless on mutated other strains

please examine the FACTS before engaging in a typed tirade of nonsense please

if not just to save your own embarrassment then to stop others believing your crap based on one study ....

please feel free to research this it might enlighten you !

and maybe your ribs are sore winning another imaginary judo title

[nara]

Have the jab, don't have the jab. I took some paracetemol earlier along with some Andrews. See me starting a shit thread about it?

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Lol, it is a shit thread, agreed... but when people post crap under the guise of 'FACTS' () they can expect to be exposed.

He does have an interesting range of insult and invective to compensate for his lack of reasoned argument though.

[racin-snake]

. but when people post crap under the guise of 'FACTS' () they can expect to be exposed.

is this the facts you mention norah ?

or the bull you posted ?

Estimated worlwide annual death rate from influenza - between 250,000 and 500,000

i hope so as i can prove the points i have quoted can you ?


as for insults i say it like it is

as for both firemouth and norah ..does something have to "kill you" to be not good for you ?

mercury is a toxic metal and therefore a toxic substance should not be injected into anything or anyone period

[nara]

If you refuse to accept figures published by the World Health Organisation, the directing and coordinating authority for health within the United Nations, then you are living in la-la land my friend.

Enjoy your paranoia. I regret that I can be of no further help.

[racin-snake]

If you refuse to accept figures published by the World Health Organisation, the directing and coordinating authority for health within the United Nations,

Pray tell is this the truthful U.N which doctored figures for the US and GB to go into Iraq seeking imaginary weapons of mass destruction ?

i am to trust the U.N and W.H.O after their fabricated nonsense over aids /hiv pandemic scenarios ?

please ! ........... if anyone is living in this "la la land" of which you mention frequently ...tis you Norah

I regret that I can be of no further help.

what makes you think you were helpful in any way norah ?

your a troll period you don't help you in fact hinder !

one more point

Lol, it is a shit thread, agreed..

if this is such a "shit thread" why did you join in with your version of debate (ie trolling) ?

shows the level of your intellect

[Shady]

I love you all, rs, Nara and firemouth. I hope you all stay flu and indeed death free.

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[nara]

Shucks Shady

I never knew you cared!

[gmb45]

I love you all, rs, Nara and firemouth. I hope you all stay flu and indeed death free.

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[bozza]

i have ashma and i have only had the jab twice and both times its made me poorly so i dont get it anymore

[scouser321]

asthmatic here, never had it.

i might give it a try though, see if i can get through a year without having at least 4 chest infections. (all start with flu like symptoms and then carry on into a chest infection).

[Hoppy01]

asthmatic here, never had it.

i might give it a try though, see if i can get through a year without having at least 4 chest infections. (all start with flu like symptoms and then carry on into a chest infection).

Its a total pi**** mate, one sneeze and all of a sudden you feel like you are breathing through a straw, a hate asthma but at least the inhalers work, when a was younger the treatment was a joke but today's medicines work well.

Can a just add that a didn't bother with it because my testicles are just too damn big and a sport a hairy chest.
A used to walk around a non heated shed at work in December with just a t shirt on, that's how ****in tough i am.
A would go home at night and rip the wifes tights off, they don't half bloody dig in your side all day..

[Frogger]

Id rather my natural immune sytem developed and fought the flu itself, which by the way, is how its meant to be, as there are too many strains of flu to get a jab for.

Free Jabs are a no no on my radar and that goes for pre school boosters for my kids whom have never been sick or had a day of school due to Measles, Mumps or Rubella or Flu or any other fabricated disease after them etc.

Have you actually read the ingredients inside those "jabs"?

Nasty stuff. All come with serious health risks years later!

[caveman_nige]

i have been having these for 20 years and have never had any problems with side effects ever. You say 'all come with serious health risks later', I take it you are a scientist who works in a lab and is fully qualified to make such a statement and is therefore going to provide irrefutable evidence to back that up.

Its good that your immune system can cope and you never get ill neither do your kids. I am happy for you that you and your family are some of the people on this earth who have this. However we are not all built the same and some people are born with weaker immune systems and some will have theirs weaked by medication used to treat other illnesses like cancer (which comes in too many forms to list in this post).

Asthmatics like Hoppy01 can be finished off by something as simple as flu and he knows it. A cold which can go to the chest can do the job just as easy as well. So preventative medicine/flu jabs can be of assistance to him if he wanted to use it.

Its a good job they managed wipe out small pox by giving everybody they could the vacine/jabs as your super immune system may have come a cropper to that one. Its just a shame they can't wipe out a few more diseases the same way, flu i very much doubt they ever will but it doesn't hurt trying to stem the spread of it.

Besides when you tell us all about your own fully qualified and documented side effects, and the 'ingredients' which will mean nothing to 99.9% of the poulation, we can compare them to what is in a supermarket chicken nugget for instance. People are still quite willing to eat those and not pay any attention to the ingredients or the after effects.

it can take the strongest and healthiest children... complaceny or bravado, either way we could all lose a loved one..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49465633/ns/health-cold_and_flu/t/teens-death-shows-how-flu-can-kill-flash/#.UJe0SGeWzAw

[Hoppy01]

i have been having these for 20 years and have never had any problems with side effects ever. You say 'all come with serious health risks later', I take it you are a scientist who works in a lab and is fully qualified to make such a statement and is therefore going to provide irrefutable evidence to back that up.

Its good that your immune system can cope and you never get ill neither do your kids. I am happy for you that you and your family are some of the people on this earth who have this. However we are not all built the same and some people are born with weaker immune systems and some will have theirs weaked by medication used to treat other illnesses like cancer (which comes in too many forms to list in this post).

Asthmatics like Hoppy01 can be finished off by something as simple as flu and he knows it. A cold which can go to the chest can do the job just as easy as well. So preventative medicine/flu jabs can be of assistance to him if he wanted to use it.

Its a good job they managed wipe out small pox by giving everybody they could the vacine/jabs as your super immune system may have come a cropper to that one. Its just a shame they can't wipe out a few more diseases the same way, flu i very much doubt they ever will but it doesn't hurt trying to stem the spread of it.

Besides when you tell us all about your own fully qualified and documented side effects, and the 'ingredients' which will mean nothing to 99.9% of the poulation, we can compare them to what is in a supermarket chicken nugget for instance. People are still quite willing to eat those and not pay any attention to the ingredients or the after effects.

it can take the strongest and healthiest children... complaceny or bravado, either we could all lose a loved one..
Teen?s death shows how flu can kill in a flash - Health - Cold and flu | NBC News

Yep i agree fella, one bad dose of the flu could be fatal for me and other asthma sufferers.
As a said in my post, this was just my personal experience and a can assure you that my doctor was none too happy about it but he did respect my decision.
We should be grateful that we have the choice to take the flu jab, many countries would dream of that option of preventive medical care.
My own family is split down the middle, my Dad went for his shot as he has always done, my Mum wont go near the place for reasons i explained, my partner went for her jab but i chose not to for my own personal reasons.
I am no doctor and that's why i wouldn't even get involved in the technical argument of the rights and wrongs, a wouldn't want to take a chance of misleading anyone with something so important.

Its not that i have a problem with taking medicines or treatment , if something makes you feel better and you know the risks then that's your choice, most medicines tend to outweigh the risks, that's why they are available.
I have had first hand experience of medicine changing my life, a experience that left me technically dead.
I took a serious chest infection that put me in hospital, a was given last rights and my parents were frantic..
I survived thanks to some clever doctors and new medical advances..

The treatment i usually took was a medicine called Alupent, it was useless and it meant i spent years of my childhood struggling to breathe.
One day my doctor phoned my Mum and asked her and my Dad to come to the health centre for a discussion about a new inhaler that came on the market, it was tested well in America with minor side effects and the doctor asked my parents if they wanted the option of trying it.(my asthma had became very aggressive at this point).
My Mum watched my Grandad die of this when she was just a child, so they said yes.
I will never forget the first day i took the inhaler, it was one of the best days of my life.
I felt this unusual but magical experience of taking a full breathe of air, the bags under my eyes vanished and the fight of gasping for air ended instantly, it was like being reborn and am not kidding.
I took part in school sports for the first time and hammered everyone i was racing, i could play like a normal kid because this little device in my pocket allowed me to be normal.

I have since heard people refer to the inhaler as a ball and chain around them, they feel like its a life sentence of taking this all their life.
I am the first to point out that they have never had it so good and should be bloody well grateful that this device saves the the pain and agony of gasping for breathe.
I haven't had a attack for as long as i can remember but its never taken for granted, i fight my asthma in a very aggressive way and every six months i have it checked and ive even been told my lungs are scoring well above average on the peak flow test.

Right or wrong, i took the decision not to take the flu jab and it wasn't taken lightly.
I am a adult though and i am responsible for my actions but if i was making the choice for my kids, it would be a very different decision.
The only advice i would dare give anyone is think bloody hard about what you are about to do.
Weigh up the pros and cons and "ask" if in doubt, information has never been more available and your doctor wont mind if you have any questions.
A don't believe in the scaremonger argument, its always easy to be critical when your not responsible for the health of millions.
Mistakes happen in "all" walks of life but in the medical side they are exploited to the max and people tend to forget what medicine has actually done for them in the past or what it will do in the future.
A wonder if they will be so super critical of medicine then, a promise you that you will never see a more humble human being ever.

If i misled anyone in my first post then i am genuinely sorry, i am also sorry if i have bored the living arse off you with the size of this post.
Its just such a important topic and decision that involves your health and only you should make the final choice.
My personal decision was taken by me for my own personal reasons and nothing else.

Thanks and stay healthy,

Hoppy

[tshirtman]

Measles, Mumps or Rubella or Flu or any other fabricated disease after them etc

I can assure you those illnesses are not fabricated, they really exist,
and it's scaremongering like yours that put lives at risk,
if you want to put your own children at risk, that's your own misguided judgement but don't spout lies to deter others.
it's now been proven Andrew Wakefield lied and manipulated his MMR test results and has since been struck off, and if I'm wrong show me the proof.