The flu jab ? should you get it?

[racin-snake]

you'l get splinters or worse sitting on that fence Shady

[Frogger]

so no-ones an expert, and yet you're all still arguing about whos right and whos wrong.
When in fact, all of you could partly right and partly wrong..

Its all a bit a fun though Shady. You said yourself it was a shIt post

Sometimes ya gotta remind yerself its just text on a screen

[4me2cubrook]

Never had it in my life, I rang my surgery last week and they told me they will be available from October about ?10.

**** knows why the employed have to pay if the Govt wants to kill the bugs they should be free?.. (confused)

they are ?7 at asda mate

[Sandman2209]

I suffered a cardiac arrest last July died twice and what not .
So I have to have it due to heart condition .

I used to have it every yr without fail but these last 2 yrs after having the jab not a sniffle .

[racin-snake]

HI and welcome to Digital Kaos Sandman .

I suffered a cardiac arrest last July died twice and what not .
So I have to have it due to heart condition .

I used to have it every yr without fail but these last 2 yrs after having the jab not a sniffle .

sorry to hear about your cardiac arrest ..but glad you are on the mend and feeling better

but could you please answer a couple of questions just to show a factual representation of the jabs actual effect ?

I am asking due to the fact after most people have had a near miss with death and their mortality is challenged with heart attacks and or any major illness . they take life and their health a tad more serious ..................... so here goes :

Q1. did you make some life changes ie diet / stopping smoking / and cutting down or quitting drinking etc ?

Q2 . don't you think these would have a more profound effect on your health and beneficial to your immune system response than a jab which is only to provide a Immunol response and an antibody reaction to certain seasonal strains of influenza ?



as a sniffle is not the flu ..so if it is "not" immunising you against the common cold "or in fact any other illness" . therefore could in fact be more probable ... that the effects of the life changes you have made since your own mortality was challenged . and your own immune system has had the opportunity recovered to its natural state bolstered by nothing more than your better lifestyle now ?


to make the point clear (so that no one makes any sort of silly comments) these are simply just a couple of questions before people inadvertently think this jab made you in fact well again and confuse it for a sort of elixir of good health

so as not to cause any sort of rash and confusing controversy .....based on fictional effects of this jab ............. nothing more sinister I guarantee you

.... I look forward to your candid answer

many thanks R.S

[SnowArm]

I think it's good if you are always getting flu each year, but bad if you never get it. Sometimes vaccines make you feel worse!!!

[Sandman2209]

Ok let me start my reply to your questions by saying .

A cardiac arrest is different to a heart attack , many people confuse the two but they are totally different and they should not be put together .

Here is a link explaining briefly the differences between the two
The Difference between Sudden Cardiac Arrest and a Heart Attack .

So to answer your questions .

1 ) I did stop smoking for a short while yes but due to a lot of stress , losing my job , losing my business , depression etc etc I eventually started smoking again . But have since quit again with the help of e cigs . As anyone knows smoking is bad for your health and it would no doubt contribute towards any illness later on in life .

Diet wise no change as there is no need I eat what I want when I want as I suffered a cardiac arrest and not a heart attack .
I have no blocked arteries etc so there was no need to change my diet .

Drinking yes I have cut down a great deal as before I was a big social drinker . Not in the way that I went to the pub every weekend without fail I only drank in the house really but wouldn't think twice to polishing a bottle of Russian standard off .
Now I drink a maximum of 2 pints in the house and hats enough for me .

2 ) maybe changing lifestyle etc does make a big impact on your chances of getting flu but as you can see I have made no major lifestyle changes as such .

Even though people have the flu jab they can and still do get the flu , as mentioned in another post. the WHO decide which strains of flu to put into the upcoming flu seasons vaccinations so innevitably you are not covered for all strains so you are still at risk of getting it .
But I can honestly say I religiously had flu every year for as long as I can remember but since having the flu jab I have not .

[racin-snake]

Ok let me start my reply to your questions by saying .

A cardiac arrest is different to a heart attack , many people confuse the two but they are totally different and they should not be put together .

Here is a link explaining briefly the differences between the two
The Difference between Sudden Cardiac Arrest and a Heart Attack .

So to answer your questions .

1 ) I did stop smoking for a short while yes but due to a lot of stress , losing my job , losing my business , depression etc etc I eventually started smoking again . But have since quit again with the help of e cigs . As anyone knows smoking is bad for your health and it would no doubt contribute towards any illness later on in life .

Diet wise no change as there is no need I eat what I want when I want as I suffered a cardiac arrest and not a heart attack .
I have no blocked arteries etc so there was no need to change my diet .

Drinking yes I have cut down a great deal as before I was a big social drinker . Not in the way that I went to the pub every weekend without fail I only drank in the house really but wouldn't think twice to polishing a bottle of Russian standard off .
Now I drink a maximum of 2 pints in the house and hats enough for me .

2 ) maybe changing lifestyle etc does make a big impact on your chances of getting flu but as you can see I have made no major lifestyle changes as such .

Even though people have the flu jab they can and still do get the flu , as mentioned in another post. the WHO decide which strains of flu to put into the upcoming flu seasons vaccinations so innevitably you are not covered for all strains so you are still at risk of getting it .
But I can honestly say I religiously had flu every year for as long as I can remember but since having the flu jab I have not .

Thanks SANDMAN for the reply and for the enlightened bit of info on heart attack and cardiac arrest differential

never had one of either so completely in the dark as to the difference
as i have said before i am not a doctor nor am i in the medical / research industry !

again though i have to ask you say you have had the flu every year before the time of regularly taking this inoculation ?

which makes me think two things either your constitution was either compromised before ( due to the amount of times you claim to have had influenza ) or .....
you did not indeed have the flu as many times as you perceive you have ?

as you stated the jab does not prevent you from getting the flu !

how can you claim the jab has in fact stopped the actual process of getting the symptoms of the flu

please explain as it perplexes me as to why the sudden change in Immunol response and yet the jab does not contain such properties and or ability to do any other than produce an antibody response to the influenza virus . period !

the last thing is ....

2 ) maybe changing lifestyle etc does make a big impact on your chances of getting flu but as you can see I have made no major lifestyle changes as such .

maybe you are just being coy or in fact a just tad modest to claim that stopping smoking and cutting down drinking is " not indeed "a major life changing and health beneficial act

I in fact think the opposite.to your conclusion in your reply ........ its a huge difference to have made these immune system boosting and very good healthy decisions !


to which i conclude from this information these are the "real reason" you in fact don't actually get the flu symptoms every year since ..and not in fact due to the jab at all

as if you read here you said

Even though people have the flu jab they can and still do get the flu ,

I also think from your lack of actually getting your yearly case of influenza (which i find incredible and in fact unbelievable ) to not a sniffle
yet this jab does not prevent symptoms of the flu or any other infections and or diseases

i believe your modest your life choices and modifications to your lifestyle have contributed to your new found good health more than the flu jab
(that you claimed in your first post post) IMO stopping smoking and cutting drinking etc to be the root cause of the healthier SANDMAN

also i might add thank you for your answer and the information on the cardiac conditions provided it might help later

regards R.S

[nara]

Lol, there you go. Your flu-jab had nothing to do with you not getting the flu!

They obviously don't work.

[racin-snake]

Lol, there you go. Your flu-jab had nothing to do with you not getting the flu!

They obviously don't work.

what a real anus you are norah

read the post again you will see the flu jab only makes the Immunol response quicker and does not in fact stop people from contracting the influenza virus it in fact gives a boost to get am immune response as the antibody is already in the blood and recognised as a virus therefore makes the viral attack less likely to make you as ill as the non inoculated person

"Flu vaccine is made from small parts of the flu virus. Around a week after you get the vaccine, your body makes antibodies to the vaccine viruses. These antibodies help to protect you against flu."

above copied from the .gov medical leaflet (yet no mention of the organo mercury thiomersal )



please read the post again and

ENGAGE THE BRAIN BEFORE TYPING !!

saves you looking even sillier than your usual foolish self !!

just confirms my first assessment of you ... your a clueless clown

[super jumbe]

Originally Posted by 4me2cubrook
they are ?7 at asda mate





To let mate cost me tanner I was forced to have it when visited our surgery few weeks back.

Did you know our govt will go to third world countries such as Africa, Asia and give the people japes for nothing while we the tax payers have to pay for us and them?

What can I say (speechless)

[sunderland1955]

[QUOTE=Hoppy01;1707198]Am asthmatic so a get the letter every year and every year a phone them up to tell them i don't want it.!
The year i did get the jab was the worst year a ever had with weird bugs and the flu, a felt like death warmed up for 6 months..
23 year ago i came down with fku like you felt like crap for six months and almost onn deaths door got better went to see doc then got diagnosed as having COPD so now have the flu jab evey year yes have come down with chest infections but not as bad as they were also had the nuemoiacockel jab a nall
regards
dave

[Hoppy01]

[quote=sunderland1955;1764470]

Am asthmatic so a get the letter every year and every year a phone them up to tell them i don't want it.!
The year i did get the jab was the worst year a ever had with weird bugs and the flu, a felt like death warmed up for 6 months..
23 year ago i came down with fku like you felt like crap for six months and almost onn deaths door got better went to see doc then got diagnosed as having COPD so now have the flu jab evey year yes have come down with chest infections but not as bad as they were also had the nuemoiacockel jab a nall
regards
dave

Am sorry to hear you were diagnosed with COPD mate, on the other hand i am glad to hear the jab has helped in "any" way, feeling a little better when you are gasping for air means a lot and a know the feeling when you are so bad that you will take anything that helps.

There are many opinions about this on this thread but a think its down to you to make the choice Dave.
As a pointed out earlier mines was a personal choice after seeing my Mum suffer so bad after a reaction to the jab, again, i have to stress that my Mums reaction was very rare and in most cases the jab is probably a good choice.
For you its certain it was a good choice and the fact that your breathing and posting proves that..
A hope your future health keeps up and this winter is kind to you,, personally i shall hibernate with cases of lager and 100 Ventolin inhalers and copious amounts of ~~~~...

[racin-snake]

, personally i shall hibernate with cases of lager and 100 Ventolin inhalers and copious amounts of ~~~~...

Hoppys alternative to the flu jab should appeal to the PT's on here


cheers Hoppy .....made me laugh that did

[reddevil157]

Got the jab about 10 or more years ago, and was in bits after it, coincidence....****ed if I know. Anyway, didn't have it since, till my doc put me on tabs for something else, which apparently lower my immune system and so advised me to have it. Got it last week, so lets see what happens.....

nara & racin....get a room