The flu jab ? should you get it?

[Frogger]

Measles, Mumps or Rubella or Flu or any other fabricated disease after them etc.

The clue is in the Fabricated after them part.

I said Fabricated after them. I never said they were fabricated (MMR).

It appears your reading what you want out of my post.

Good day.

[tshirtman]

Please enlighten me as to these fabricated illnesses.

[Frogger]

Please enlighten me as to these fabricated illnesses.

Alcoholism, Drug addiction, obesity and Frankenstein-flu.

Theres many more of course.

[tshirtman]

Alcoholism, Drug addiction, obesity and Frankenstein-flu.

Theres many more of course.

really?

15 years as a health worker and I never knew there was inoculations for above conditions.

and all those people I've nursed for drug induced psychosis must have been lying, i'll let our consultants know immediately

[Hoppy01]

Id rather my natural immune sytem developed and fought the flu itself, which by the way, is how its meant to be, as there are too many strains of flu to get a jab for.

Free Jabs are a no no on my radar and that goes for pre school boosters for my kids whom have never been sick or had a day of school due to Measles, Mumps or Rubella or Flu or any other fabricated disease after them etc.

Have you actually read the ingredients inside those "jabs"?

Nasty stuff. All come with serious health risks years later!

How is it the natural way to boost your immune system by not taking a flu jab?
People are different, they have different strength's and weaknesses, your immune system may be strong but what about, asthmetics, people with bronchitis, elderly just to name a few,,, a suppose if left to your natural plan then they just get dead.

Taking a decision for your health is your choice but to take a gamble on your kids health,, sorry pal but that's a whole different thing.
A genuinely mean this when a say, a hope your kids never get any of the diseases you listed in your previous post....

As for the ingredients, yes i have read whats in them and just like a don't understand some of the ingredients in a lasagna, a don't understand many that are in the jab either.
The solution is very simple, go to your doctor and he will explain to you what they are and how they work.

Am not saying the system hasn't got it wrong in the past or that they are faultless, but the majority of the time they get it right.
There will always be cases of people taking reactions or something going wrong (a good example would be my Mum) but its a tiny minority to the people it benefits and any knowledge required is very available, your not forced to take it.

A think its pretty arrogant to post asking people if they have read the ingredients, do you honestly think the Mums and Dads on this forum just lined up their kids without reading and understanding exactly what their kid was getting.?
Have you ever considered you may be wrong because the majority of people tend to have their children take the jab,, parents don't take light decisions when their kids are involved...

[Frogger]

really?

15 years as a health worker and I never knew there was inoculations for above conditions.

and all those people I've nursed for drug induced psychosis must have been lying, i'll let our consultants know immediately

With respect. I never said there were inoculations for them. I stated what was asked. To show fabricated illness.

[nara]

Andrew Wakefield lied and manipulated his MMR test results and has since been struck off, and if I'm wrong show me the proof.

That's really the bottom line to this whole argument.

Unfortunately the lie still persists on the internet and lives are being put at risk as a result.

[racin-snake]

That's really the bottom line to this whole argument.

Unfortunately the lie still persists on the internet and lives are being put at risk as a result.

NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT NORAH !!

Dr. Andrew Wakefield?s Interview on His MMR Study

the bottom line of your agenda is norah in fact does not have a clue
again one line based on drivel and piss poor research and not seeing the full story
the use of the triple vaccine was the point this doctor, surgeon and researcher made
and that single vaccines were safer !



(taken from the above link)-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This story, like so many other stories of great doctors and researchers who chase the truth and want nothing more than to protect those who cannot protect themselves from dangerous medicine, is a call to open your eyes, and to look deeper to not simply believe the bits and pieces the media offers up as fact. Usually, there's a lot more to the story.

And what you choose to believe without sufficient amount of facts can have serious ramifications on your health, and the health of your family.

Remember, you make serious, at times life-and-death, decisions based on what and who you believe

So when it comes to vaccinating your child, how much do you really know about the vaccine in question? Who do you believe, and why?

Do you place your trust in the hands of those who have the most to gain and nothing to lose?

Or in the hands of those who have little, or nothing, to gain by your choice?

It's up to you.

In the case of the MMR vaccine as a potential causative factor in autism and Crohns disease, this interview is filled with back-story and behind the scenes information about how the research has been, and continues to be, suppressed.

So listen to the interview, and continue doing your own research. Twenty-eight additional studies are listed above for your own investigation.

As always -- Make your decision an educated decision.
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please read this link in its entirety there are other dedicated and compounding results found and replicated in other countries on this triple vaccine !


back to the origonal threads initial question ...on the flu jab ...

..MY POINT ON THIMEROSAL !

organomercury compounds in vaccines .and ....why the vaccine producers want to remove the mercury now after so long ?
there is no recommended amount of mercury ingestion ..period !!
its a neuro-toxin and has wide ranging ill effects
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/mercu...oning_symptoms PLEASE READ!

no "scaremongering" just FACT !!

as for being a "health worker" tshirtman what in fact "qualifies you" as a chemist or physician to claim these vaccines are in fact safe ?

none i can wager .................so that claim is in fact rendered a moot point IMHO

if not then please enlighten us to where on the 1998 report by this doctor was fabricated or in fact "lies" as you claim ?

also where in the leaflet and spiel for the vaccination is thimerosal mentioned ?
and also to add would the average joe public know there was any organomercury in any of the aforementioned vaccines if it weren't for the whistle-blowers informing of the presence and dangers of this toxin and bring it into the public domain for a more balanced decision

thus it would be available to actually use this "fact" to decide whether or not it was important enough to refuse or take the risk ?

but by all means take the vaccine if you like .but do so with a balanced EDUCATED decision please ........................

my reply and stance is the same as before
I personally will take my chance with influenza thankng you !

[tshirtman]

racin snake has been on the David Icke forum again I see.

I am damn site more qualified than you are to comment on this subject,
i get my FACTS from places like the BMJ and Nursing Times, not from some nutter who was a $hit footballer and now looking for self publicity.

i suppose your going to start saying I'm spouting bile or some other nonsense now, that'd your usual MO when you don't get your own way.

Keep your X-files opinions to the conspiracy section of the forum.

[racin-snake]

racin snake has been on the David Icke forum again I see.

I am damn site more qualified than you are to comment on this subject,
i get my FACTS from places like the BMJ and Nursing Times, not from some nutter who was a $hit footballer and now looking for self publicity.

i suppose your going to start saying I'm spouting bile or some other nonsense now, that'd your usual MO when you don't get your own way.

Keep your X-files opinions to the conspiracy section of the forum.

stick to the facts please .......................... I know I have !

I am damn site more qualified than you are to comment on this subject,

or in fact state your qualifications ?

as nursing has no place in the researched facts !


id like to see your doctorate or in fact your position in the health service to see if in fact your claimed qualifications do in fact measure up to your (probably ) exaggerated claim ?

making beds and bringing bedpans (although appreciated and admirable ) " is not " a qualification to claim as authoritative on pharmaceutical or any other medical questions or facts

please do yourself a favour and please don't put your experience as a pretence of proof or fact as i can see that your conspiracy theorist jargon and bile if you want to call it is in fact just a smokescreen for not actually answering the stated facts

anyone can read the literature "you" so highly promote

I can read "the lancet" on-line yet i do not claim to be a doctor or a physician

here have a read yourself

TheLancet.com - Home Page

just shows some realistic and proven rhetoric to the government / and big pharma viewpoint and agendas

yet we get this sort of retort when challenged and resort to mindless and silly accusations of being some kind of nut

stupid personal attack based on assumptions of what l claim "that is not" the prescribed media propaganda

please mate just the facts !!!

as i have shown no more no less to address the discussion ...you come back with null moot points and slander as rhetoric which i add is detrimental to your effective stance on the unsupported statements you stand behind as fact (so who is in fact the nutty one here ? )


don't throw the dummy out the pram cos you in fact are challenged on a blinkered approach to the propaganda you are spoon fed and digest as fact !


also please show the proof of this statement please !

.
it's now been proven Andrew Wakefield lied and manipulated his MMR test results and has since been struck off, and if I'm wrong show me the proof.

that might be more "on topic" than attempts of character assassination ....show your " proof " please

have you "EVEN" read Andrew Wakefield's 1998 report in full ?



both sides of a story first before the dummy out the pram in future

i suppose your going to start saying I'm spouting bile or some other nonsense now

NO ! if you research that is norah's line to attempt to gain sympathy and to attempt to make himself / herself victimised (poorly I might add)

look at his / her one line whining posts he / she mentioned this many times ...another sloppy researched statement ...EH!

[Frogger]

It is said vaccines typically contain many of the following fillers:

* aluminum hydroxide
* aluminum phosphate
* ammonium sulfate
* amphotericin B
* animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
* dog kidney, monkey kidney,
* chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
* calf (bovine) serum
* betapropiolactone
* fetal bovine serum
* formaldehyde
* formalin
* gelatin
* glycerol
* human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
* hydrolyzed gelatin
* mercury thimerosol (thimerosol, Merthiolate(r))
* monosodium glutamate (MSG)
* neomycin
* neomycin sulfate
* phenol red indicator
* phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
* potassium diphosphate
* potassium monophosphate
* polymyxin B
* polysorbate 20
* polysorbate 80
* porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
* residual MRC5 proteins
* sorbitol
* tri(n)butyl phosphate,
* VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells, and
* washed sheep red blood

I dont even like the thought of any of them being injected into me.

Fluvirin
STN: BL 103837
Proper Name: Influenza Virus Vaccine

Depending on the specific vaccine that you may get, Fluzone or Fluvirin can potentially include any of the following ingredients:

Formaldehyde
Gelatin
Octylphenol Ethoxylate - an emulsifier
Thimerosal (a mercury derivative) (in the 0.5 mL multi-dose)

FDA website

[nara]

I dont even like the thought of any of them being injected into me.

Well don't have them if you don't want them, nobody's forcing you, but the fact that you obviously know sweet fa about medicine or human biology is not an excuse for you advising others to put their lives at risk.

[racin-snake]

the fact that you obviously know sweet fa about medicine or human biology is not an excuse for you advising others to put their lives at risk.

its not an excuse for you to be so dumb either norah

oh ! so we now have a selection of experts here ?

yet not one single sign of intelligent rebuttal

not a single effort just clueless remarks and no challenge to the information provided just poor snide comments (but showing the intellect and thought process of sheep)

hoppys got the closest so far balanced and cautions IMHO


the rest of nara/tshitmans posts should be moved to "the comedy section "

yet some of them cant even spell *yet call others illiterate fools .................indeed hilarious .....................


fools with "not a clue" yet claiming now to be experts in subjects of human biology pharmaceutics and medical processes
(astounding as not one single fact ha been put forward by these posters)

I wonder now if they are unwilling to share their vast and superior knowledge.....or just plain mouthpieces as we all know empty vessels make more noise

yup ..... says it all ....to be so stupid and foolish on an open forum takes either stupidity or balls ( i will go with the latter for these guys )

all noise no substance !

[Frogger]

Well don't have them if you don't want them, nobody's forcing you, but the fact that you obviously know sweet fa about medicine or human biology is not an excuse for you advising others to put their lives at risk.

Its all there in the FDAs list of ingredients. I think they are qualified to say whats in a vaccine! I havent advised anyone to do a thing btw. This is just a forum where people air their views, it doesnt make it the gospel truth. The internet is what you make of it.

Vaccines are linked to ADD, ADHD, Autism, Epilepsy and Hepatitis and many more. Just ask the parents of kids whos lives are ruined after taking a jab.

There are no side effects, they are all EFFECTS! FACT!

@racin-snake
Some people are afraid to question the official version of events or authority reasoning behind things. Probably the same people who think fluoride is safe in toothpaste and drinking water, without even checking what the origins of Fluoride are.

Sin

[Shady]

so no-ones an expert, and yet you're all still arguing about whos right and whos wrong.
When in fact, all of you could partly right and partly wrong..