Bedroom tax, new thread !

[thered]

lmfao, I cant believe some of the peoples theories about my buisness in this thread, thats why I said "let me deal with that part of it".

We are taking them to court for the unfair bedroom tax and thats all you need to know, your either for it or against, as for the rest of the funny things some people are saying, just forget all that and let me deal with it.

I'm here to fight the bedroom tax and thats about it, makes for fun reading though, .

Thanks again everyone for your comments by the way

Please do tell


Properties in one hand and fighting a reduction in housing benefit on the other


Cant help but sound a tad dodgy and you cant blame anyone else you made the post

[Lainie]

few facts

if you own another property you cannot claim housing benefit

dwp do not pay full mortgages they only pay the interest bit and then thats capped for xx amount of time.

all landlords must be registered and have all the correct safety certificates etc

if you say you are a landlord they will check with hmrc/local government re your income

[Saltire]

ok, lets say my daughter for example has a spare bedroom in her council house, could be one of my 40 wifes, LMAO, but you get the drift ?

She says to council, ok I will take a 1 bedroom house, give me one and you can take my house.

How many 1 bedroom council properties are there available just now or being built out of the 50,000 houses that are SUPPOSED to be getting built in 2013 ???

I will take a guess, here in scotland, probably about a few 1 bedroom house available to rent, and probably about 1% new one bedroom properties.

so people wanting to do the right thing and move to a smaller house, how are they going to do that ??? they cant, simple as that !

There is going to be a lot of homeless people soon because of this and this will force the government into even more debt that they cant afford !

Idiots, thats what the government are in my opinion.

[GastonJ]

If you live in this area, very little:

Council Housing | South Ayrshire Council

So through no fault of their own people will be living in houses too large for them, that they will have to pay extra for no doubt. Then again they could all move into bedsits which in turn means private landlords will make more money. Perhaps that's really the idea.

[thered]

If you live in this area, very little:

Council Housing | South Ayrshire Council

So through no fault of their own people will be living in houses too large for them, that they will have to pay extra for no doubt. Then again they could all move into bedsits which in turn means private landlords will make more money. Perhaps that's really the idea.

I do agree that there need to be places to move too but surely of the 4700 waiting a good proportion will be able to swap

Most people on housing lists already have houses they just want bigger ones

Should be something in place tho if nothing available in area they just get same whack until a house/flat pops up

[Saltire]

I do agree that there need to be places to move too but surely of the 4700 waiting a good proportion will be able to swap

Most people on housing lists already have houses they just want bigger ones

Should be something in place tho if nothing available in area they just get same whack until a house/flat pops up

4700 , with respect, where did you magic that figure up from mate, we'r talking possibly a million or millions here that would need a one bedroom home ?

let me know ?

edit : heres example and these will not be 1 bedroom, I bet maybe 1% of these houses are 1 bedroom >>> Nearly 50,000 new homes will be built in 2013, Nick Clegg pledges | Society | The Guardian

and how many people in the uk is this going to effect ? millions ! (62,641,000 (2011) ) thats how many people legally live in the uk but thats from 2011 as you can see, I am not sure how many of those are council tenants but you can Imagine, and its probably a heck of a lot more than that now in 2013, not to mention all the Legal immigrants who are sucking the life blood from the uk's finances and normally are put before our own people when it comes to everything as far as I can read into.

edit 2 : infact I dont even think the houses in that article are council, I think they are private, so its even worse !

[Saltire]

There has been talk of making people who own thier houses to also get taxed for extra rooms too, now, that is something I am in favour of, lets see how all the mansion owners etc like that.

That would be a brilliant idea if it ever happens because theres that many spare rooms in private houses its unbelievable, and it would ease a lot of pressure on the whole country and its finances

The source isnt reliable but there is plenty of talk about it on lots of websites and the usual facebook and all that kinda stuff, lets see all the private owners panicking, that would make me happy for the whole of the UK, get all the mansion owners to take in lodgers, see them sweat, .

Hope its true.

[thered]

4700 , with respect, where did you magic that figure up from mate, we'r talking possibly a million or millions here that would need a one bedroom home ?

let me know ?

From the link gas left

If there are millions of people need 1 bed houses or flats sureley there are millions of people waiting on lists like the one gas posted who want bigger houses

all the talk is of one bedroom places why??


can families not move from 4 and 5 bedroom houses into 2 and 3 bedders as well as 1 bedroom

All the focus seems to be on 1 bedroom who said they all need that ?

There has been talk of making people who own thier houses to also get taxed for extra rooms too, now, that is something I am in favour of, lets see how all the mansion owners etc like that.

That would be a brilliant idea if it ever happens because theres that many spare rooms in private houses its unbelievable, and it would ease a lot of pressure on the whole country and its finances

The source isnt reliable but there is plenty of talk about it on lots of websites and the usual facebook and all that kinda stuff, lets see all the private owners panicking, that would make me happy for the whole of the UK, get all the mansion owners to take in lodgers, see them sweat, .

Hope its true.

Think thats mansion tax, dont know if its for rooms but its been talked about that houses over certain value will have to pay

Not sure the queen will tho

Bedroom tax isnt tax its reduction of benefit

A tax is something you have to pay

Housing benefit is free money towards rent, how is reducing it an illegal tax?


Btw not sure if we are getting full picture

There has been talk of making people who own thier houses to also get taxed for extra rooms too, now, that is something I am in favour of, lets see how all the mansion owners etc like that.

That would be a brilliant idea if it ever happens because theres that many spare rooms in private houses its unbelievable, and it would ease a lot of pressure on the whole country and its finances

You own property yet you are in favour of taxing spare rooms for people who own their homes, yet not in favour of housing benefit cuts to council houses with spare rooms

Im no genius but this thread doesnt add up

[jordigirl]

i dont think you can make home owners pay a bedroom tax - on a home that they already own, if you can afford to purchase a house surely you can decide how many bedrooms you want in it,

is this why the council tax is banded?? so different rates for different size and priced houses??

[rds60h]

Sounds even more dodgy now


Sounds like the right to buy is being used and abused to get a few cheap houses, move in buy

rent out to family (free housing benefit pay for house)

get another house wait until a year whatever

Buy again move out rent to more family get a new house

Sounds like property building empire on housing benefit


A lot of Asians do this near me

You obviously believe they are doing wrong so why don't you report them ?

[rds60h]

Hardly unlawful tax.

Anyway, even though it certainly won't affect me:

1) Why only impose it on easy targets?
2) Why only impose it on council house tenants and housing association tenants?

That means people who receive benefits and live in private property aren't affected, wonder why - maybe it's because private landlords perhaps tend to vote Tory or Liberal? or that MP's rent out their first homes and make some cash back. Either way it's unfair to not impose it on all who receive benefits.

Maybe, just maybe that is what makes it illegal, it is discriminating against a particular sector.

[rds60h]

To be fair most mps homes wont be full of dss


but i see your point


Some would argue its a perk of the job, if you have a home and parliament say you can have another home to enable you to work more freely closer to base

why not rent your real home out?

Common sense i do not see any wrong in that

I would do it i am sure most people would.

But if they rent out their own home then it is no longer their primary home and secondly the rent received negates the expense of the "second" home so therefore the expenses are either reduced or no longer required.
So the expenses claimed are therefore false.

[rds60h]

I am deffo for it and I am a socialist!!!!

If you can tell me why taxpayers should pay via their taxes which are paid in the form of benefits to people who don't work to live in houses larger than they require - and you may start to change my mind. Can you say why you are against it??

No person who works should pay for people who have never worked, those who don't work, those who cant work, or those who don't want to work to live in larger houses than what their situation deems - That is why I am for it!! Lets hear your side!?!

It appears to me you may only be against it because it may affect the money in your pocket and profit.... Not that you are agianst it for any political reason, or they fact that it is trying to make people accountable!!!!

So you have worked all your life, lived in the same house since you were married (in some cases it could even be the same house your parents lived in) you have paid rent all that time, the house would have been paid off years ago had you been brave enough to take on a mortgage.
You get made redundant and can't find another job or you have been laid off through a debilitating illness and are now unable to work again.
Then your eldest child marries and moves out, so you must now move home or try and find extra money to stay where you have always lived ?
This is the type of scenario that finds people dying of shock and fear or taking their own lives,
is that really fair ?
Yes there are people working the system and defrauding it, so shouldn't it be those people who are targeted ?

[rds60h]

Bedroom tax isnt tax its reduction of benefit

A tax is something you have to pay

Housing benefit is free money towards rent, how is reducing it an illegal tax?

The Benefit will be reduced and the extra will have to be paid............"A Tax is something you pay"
So It Is A Tax !!!
"Housing Benefit is free money towards rent"..........How is it "Free Money" to those that have worked all their lives and paid into the system ?

Don't get me wrong TheRed I understand what you are getting at but not every shoe fits the same foot.
It is the scroungers that need to be targeted not the genuine and needy.

[Snowy79]

I'd have thought anyone living in a council house would still have a tenancy agreement even if it is just a gereric one. Regardless how long you rent a property the council could still legaly cancel the tenancy with prior notice. The same as a private tenency. Just because you lived there for years doesn't mean the owner can't move you out. I've never lived in a council propertyy as an adult so can't say if you have to sign an agreement but if you have you're stuffed in law.

All the council are doing is collecting the set rent and the Government are still giving the individual there legal entitlement. No more no less. They're no more being discriminated against than the person living in a one bedroom council house is compared to a single person living in a two bedroom house.