Bedroom tax, new thread !

[binary]

Bedroom tax

I find it quite simple, If you dont have a bed in the room, it isn't a bedroom

[thered]

I hope this turns out to be Cameron's poll tax.

I have found one group of people who are exempt

The families of serving prisoners are exempt

think of it a different way, this policy will fund tax cuts for millionaires.

Thats not right why should prisoners be exempt when armed forces are not

Not sure about tax cuts for millioniares

I see it more as a way of getting some money back to try and plug the holes in the ever increasing budget

I also think one of its main reasons is to try and widen the gap between working for a living and not working

For low income earners there is no incentive to work you get nearly as much on dole, after housing benefit and council tax are added

[Diddy]

I am going to post a PDF in the E-book section it is Owen Jones book called Chavs - The demonization of the working class
Please read it if you get the chance. Try to digest what the man has said (Even if you disagree with his political views). He writes very well and is very articulate. I have put up a request for the epub version so it will be an easier read. But I do have the pdf which I will post shortly.
It really is an eye opening book and I think it is related to this subject in the way MP's and the Media have managed the public mood and put out policies which in other times would never have been stood for.
As an aside I think that the SNP are hinting that they would reverse this if the get their independence vote to have Scotland go it alone. Personally I feel if they do this then it will have a huge effect on the outcome of the independence vote and we will then see the beginning of the end of what was once the UK/Great Britain - We all laugh and joke with each other and even dig each other out - But together we ARE stronger than we would be apart. I think if we break up ALL of the 4 components of the UK would suffer. So we can only watch this space.

[tshirtman]

Re: Bedroom tax, new thread !

Thats not right why should prisoners be exempt

Don't know, ask Dave,
it was brought up in prime minister's questions today, nobody disputed it. so it must be true.

[Snowy79]

I'd also recommend listening to Prime Minister question time for an unbiased view on what the politicians are playing at. It's scary hearing different parties on the news moaning about what the other party are implementing then hearing on question time how it was their party that started the ball rolling and they'd voted for it previously.

[thered]

I'd also recommend listening to Prime Minister question time for an unbiased view on what the politicians are playing at. It's scary hearing different parties on the news moaning about what the other party are implementing then hearing on question time how it was their party that started the ball rolling and they'd voted for it previously.

You normally find thats the case

I said in another thread politics is just a popularity contest

X factor in suits


People are blaming cameron now for sick having to get jobs with the atos work capability assesment in was labour who brought it in

Will they axe bedroom tax if it comes in

Who knows but they didnt open all the mines back up which they were severely opposed to closing

[jordigirl]

a think you should be exempt if you agree to move to a smaller property, but there isn't any available, which is the case for a lot of these people

why should the families of serving prisoners be exempt??
i understood if you were a tennant and were going to prison for more than 6 weeks you lost your housing benefit and had to give up the house anyway ??

[masur123]

Like thered I am still for this policy in its basic principle.

The option should be there, that if you can move to a smaller house, be it private or council rent, then you should move if you can, otherwise the money should be deducted.

Should this apply to genuine sick and disabled, no it should not. Should it apply to JSA or income support then yes it should.

I think a complete review of who this would and would not affect should be made public and open discussions should be had before any implementation goes ahead.

[GastonJ]

have to agree really. Sick and ill should be exempt, as previously someone said, so should those that agree to move but cannot. I posted some stats earlier and it's quite obvious that the councils don't have the places available.

As for public discussion, the government claims that they were elected and as such are doing what people want. Well what would you expect from a politician sense?

[thered]

have to agree really. Sick and ill should be exempt, as previously someone said, so should those that agree to move but cannot. I posted some stats earlier and it's quite obvious that the councils don't have the places available.

As for public discussion, the government claims that they were elected and as such are doing what people want. Well what would you expect from a politician sense?

Depends whats available i suppose but not everyone who needs to move needs 1 bedroom might be many cases of moving people from 5 to 3 bedrooms or from 4 to 2 or even 3 for 2

I think if some safeguards are put in for certain people then it is only fair and right that people should contribute

And i also think people should consider the people who need bigger homes and cant get them.

[GastonJ]

What will be interesting over the coming year or two is what places the councils will be offering people who are homeless. I'm going to guess that with a lot of people not having families that the waiting lists will grow and grow. I'd also expect that more privately rented bedsits will appear at stupid rents for the government to pay, so we can be back in the 1980's again and feel at home.

[rds60h]

Thats not right why should prisoners be exempt when armed forces are not

As we already know, we have opposing views on the "bedroom tax" but if it is imposed then the above is one point I will agree with you on 100%

[rds60h]

The Government is not taking their heating or eating money away. They're still getting the same money for that. All they are doing is charging for a service that in theory the tenant is not using so doesn't need. If they need it as per legal guidelines the Government will increase the housing benefit accordingly.

The Banks are charging for a service that in theory people do not need, but they have been told they are taking away the basic living money (the heating and eating money) away from those on benefit and therefore they are not allowed to charge !

As another byline on this, when a Council tenant signs his/her Tenancy Agreement there is a clause in it that says as secure tenants you can "live in your home for the rest of your life as long as you continue to meet your tenancy conditions"
The "bedroom tax" is just a sneaky way of breaking that agreement.

[Saltire]

The Government is not taking their heating or eating money away. They're still getting the same money for that.

with great respect mate, I personally think your talking a bit of rubbish, infact I know you are.

The person or people I am talking about (could be me or my family, who knows, something I will never disclose on the internet), anyway, they already cant afford to pay for thier food and fuel (gas & lekky) right now, and now they have to MAGIC up ?50 per month just because they have a spare bedroom (stealth tax), and into the bargain I hear very strong and seemingly true rumors we are also now being asked to MAGIC up 8.5% a month towards council tax too, has anyone heard of this new one yet, I have photos, have a look.

(zoom in on the photos so that you can see them a bit better).

just seen the photos might be a bit hard to make out the text, sorry for that, its the best I could do from what I had, but those are from an official source at the job centre or DWP or whatever its called nowdays (an insider), they change the names for certain depts so often now I forget the name of them, but they are defo official and what I said above bascially is just saying what the photos are showing anyway.

(should have added now that I know for fact, the extra council tax wont effect people in scotland, just engerlundd).

[Saltire]

all of it

so a single person whos in a 2 bed council/housing association flat GIVEN to them by the council/housing associtaiion whos only getting jsa ? 70 odd a week (and there will be a lot of them in this category) should have to pay this ? that will leave them less than ?60 week to live on, there is no way any one should be paying this if nothing more suitable to their needs can be found end off, and the gov knows there aint enuff suitable properties, easy money, every one should refuse to pay, then see how the gov handles the chokka block courts, might see sense then, ive have talked to a few peeps in this bed tax situation and all are going to refuse to pay, prefering to get their point across in court, this bed tax job will not be dun a dusted for a long time yet.

couldnt agree more and thats my same route of thinking, the whole system is going to fall apart, between mass marches and demonstrations which will probably end in riots if they arent carefull, think about it everybody, how are the police, court, jail and homeless units (and the streets with homeless people) going to cope ???

Quite simply they wont cope, this has been thought up with a total Idiot whoever thought this was a good idea !