Bedroom tax, new thread !

[maca]

Mate in the nicest possible way I feel you are talking through your arse. You have absolutely no idea of what long term sickness and disability means or indeed these days the hoops that these days that people who cant defend themselves cant support themselves go through. You may have washed a few cars in your time but that tbh does not mean shit. Walk a mile in another man's shoes before critesiing them. I really hope that you never find yourself in a position where you are at the mercy of the type of megolmaniacs that are in charge these days. My story is that I have been at thier mercy. I have come out the other side. Been there done that. Probably paid more in tax and blown more in class A drugs than most of your type will ever earn. Does that make me a big shot ? Nah mate it makes me some **** who has experienced life and discovered the pitfalls it has to offer. Good luck with your life with your outlook. Im just glad that we are all allowed to vote. Some interesting times ahead.

You dont have to take drugs to learn a lesson. your type ? how do you know what we earn ? we might have walked that mile also mate ..

[thered]

I know what your saying mate believe me better off being a drug dealer now cos most of the *****ers round here seem to sell to everyone who's not working..

I know m8 its the same where i live thats why i have little sympathy

Its a shame tbh because there probably are genuine people struggling i have just never seen them

and the ones that do struggle for a short time soon find work again

So it mystifies me why nobody can find work

[thered]

You dont have to take drugs to learn a lesson. your type ? how do you know what we earn ? we might have walked that mile also mate ..

I used to sell em when i was younger when E's were E's and they were not 50p either

I like the way i come accross high and mighty


I live in a 5hit tip council estate whats been half demolished, apart from a short time when i was about 20 i always worked from leaving school apart from last couple of years been in and out and sick. I even worked for ?10 a week extra on me dole when i was 20 just to help get job

I have worked for minimum wage, and gotten good wage i also ended up with 30% of take home pay going to csa

So yes i can talk about it, in fact i am better off now on sick than when i worked for minimum wage

My sympathy is always with the working class

[Hoppy01]

This is a hot topic alright, this thread is huge now..
What gets to me is the Tories, in 41 years of living a see no reason to trust anything they say.
Anytime they have got into power its the same old crap, we get a worse deal through their ill thought out and short term plans (or cuts) and we end up paying more for less.
Now a hate to admit this but at least when Thatcher came to power she had major problems to sort out, we needed to reform as we were genuinely nearly bankrupt.
In some ways her reforms did work and there was a time period where things got worse before they got better.
However like any Tory she did take many things too far, that's why she was ousted in such a brutal way.

A remember when my Dad bought our old council house, lets face it you would have to be a mug not to, a quality house at a third of the market value, his mortgage was way lower than the current rent.
He did say to me that he was worried that this would backfire badly in the future, not everyone could afford to buy their house and if all the good houses are gone what happens to tenants.
The answer was simple, they didn't give a damn about the other tenants, that was just one example of how Thatcher created this jobless culture.
When a was young we were all in the same boat, we weren't rich but food was always on the table and most parents worked, very few of my mates Dads were unemployed.

The Tories always systematically hammer this jobless culture, a culture they created 30yrs ago and a culture that "no" political party has bothered to tackle the social problems which is the core problem of this culture.
Instead we accept useless short term plans as a quick fix which leads to more problems in the long run.
We were not alone in this culture, Germany had a very similar problem 20yrs ago and developed a huge sub culture, they also had to contend with rebuilding East Germany after the wall fell.
They didn't go for the quick fix, they took the pain and invested in massive housing development plan and education reform the analysts panned the Government saying this was financial suicide and for 10 years it looked like they may be right.
Today Germany doesn't have that sub culture, everyone is entitled to quality housing and a huge part of the population rent their homes.
The German economy has never been so healthy, it props up the rest of the EU.
A was in Dusseldorf 2 years ago with my brother and he took me to a typical council estate in Germany to show me the difference compared to ours, a was totally stunned.

In Britain we accept things too easily and we are too divided by our own interests, the Government puts rings round us by exploiting that division and is using it to avoid dealing with real problems and blaming the poor.
The Tories told us that we are skint and close to collapse, the situation is dire and we all have to pay the price.
Yet a few months in and we bail Ireland to the tune of ?7bn, we then go off to Libya and throw ?950m at a war that has "nothing" to do with us, whenever a world crisis happens we throw millions in aid at it.
Yet we can't sort out the jobless culture or social problems in our own country, worse still we hit our own people with another draconian tax and everyone seems fine with that.
A suppose the revenue will come in handy when we decide to fight a invisible enemy that our Government dreams up every few years, or upgrade those obscene nukes at a cost of billions in the name of prevention.
Forget about rebuilding our own infrastructure for the future or educating our people to raise their expectations in life or planning ahead for generations to come.
We have went wrong somewhere in Britain, when we ignore our own and put other countries needs as first priority.

I am really sorry about the size of this post..

[Saltire]

being the original thread starter, what more can I say than I have already cleary stated, and then you get things like this too >>>

Children's rights cited in legal challenge launched against 'bedroom tax' | Society | The Guardian


(engerlund government).

[thered]

being the original thread starter, what more can I say than I have already cleary stated, and then you get things like this too >>>

Children's rights cited in legal challenge launched against 'bedroom tax' | Society | The Guardian


(engerlund government).

Not being funny but i am pretty sure if you are disabled you get dla, possibly mobility car and carers allowance and money for disabled kids on top of your own allowance

If you cant afford to pay ?12 rent for a bedroom your finances seriously want looking at

[Saltire]

http://www.facebook.com/#!/AbolishBedroomTaxOrPrepareForBritainsCivilWar2013

There is going to be several major marches all over the UK regarding this shambles of this illegal bedroom tax on different days, you would need to read the pages yourself, thats why I added the link, I think the main one is in trafalgar square on the 30th or 31st march 2013 at 1.30pm, as I say, you would need to read more into it yourself as there are more and more marches springing up as we speak and all in different cities/towns on different days.

best to ask first on the main facebook page to find out which is closest to you because its not as if someone from Glasgow can just run down to London at the drop of a hat.

In a way, I think the more marches we have on hopefully on same day at same time the better, that on its own will stretch the police service to being overwhelmed, see how easy it is to stretch finances ?

(not that I condone any such activity, I'm just passing on information, )

[maca]

And all the rioters will hide in there spare bedrooms after the marches

[Saltire]

Not being funny but i am pretty sure if you are disabled you get dla, possibly mobility car and carers allowance and money for disabled kids on top of your own allowance

If you cant afford to pay ?12 rent for a bedroom your finances seriously want looking at

with respect, I think I have said this before, not sure who to, but what buisness is it of yours or mines if someone claims DLA or is too proud and sits with basic benefits ?

Its none of our buisness and this thread is about getting rid of the illegal bedroom tax, not making it sound like something that people want, read from post 1 onwards mate.

[tshirtman]

Not being funny but i am pretty sure if you are disabled you get dla, possibly mobility car and carers allowance and money for disabled kids on top of your own allowance

If you cant afford to pay ?12 rent for a bedroom your finances seriously want looking at

DLA is going in April to replaced by PIP, and by the nature of it's name(DLA), it is a benefit to enable disabled people to live a normal life, NOT to pay rent, that's what housing benefit is for,
and what has a mobility car got to do with anything, what are they supposed to do sell there car to fund the shortfall.

As for carers allowance, do you realise how much money the carers are saving the country,
the cost of someone who needs 24 hour care would cost around ?3k a week in a residential unit.

Another idiotic policy that will end up with the tax payer paying more in the long run.

[Saltire]

And all the rioters will hide in there spare bedrooms after the marches

I hear ya mate, but we dont want to go down that road that the Englushenders done before, but look at this way, poke a dog with a stick too many times, whats it going to do ?

It will turn round and bite you and this is exactly what this government are wanting by the looks of it, although I am hearing little stories hear and there that they may back off on the bedroom tax, true or not, I dunno, can only read and and read and watch and watch.

[allycoops]

Saw this the other day on the net elsewhere may be of use to some of you.

OK Peeps Bedroon Tax

If your small bedroom is 70sq ft or under it is classes as a box room therefore cannot be charged bedroom tax on it.

This is listed under the housing act 1985 section 326.

please use this don not take any excuses from the council as the housing act 1985 can only be changed by law.


measure your small room if its under 10 x 7 ft they cannot take the extra bedroom cash from you.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1985/68/contents

[Canker_Canison]

http://www.facebook.com/#!/AbolishBe...nsCivilWar2013

There is going to be several major marches all over the UK regarding this shambles of this illegal bedroom tax on different days, you would need to read the pages yourself, thats why I added the link, I think the main one is in trafalgar square on the 30th or 31st march 2013 at 1.30pm, as I say, you would need to read more into it yourself as there are more and more marches springing up as we speak and all in different cities/towns on different days.

best to ask first on the main facebook page to find out which is closest to you because its not as if someone from Glasgow can just run down to London at the drop of a hat.

In a way, I think the more marches we have on hopefully on same day at same time the better, that on its own will stretch the police service to being overwhelmed, see how easy it is to stretch finances ?

(not that I condone any such activity, I'm just passing on information, )

So, these marches. Are these just to help those in council/housing association accommodation, or for the rest of the population in private rented accommodation who have had to find this extra money for the past 10 years?

If these marches actually do stop council/housing assoc tenants from being treated like the private rented people claiming benefit. Does that mean that the ruling on private rent benefits will also have to change?
So in a time when cost have to be cut, spending on housing benefit will be put back up to the levels they were 10 years ago.

I fully understand that the disabled & ill should be exempt from the rule change. But I don't see why the rest of them shouldn't have to find the money like those in private rented properties.

[gmb45]

i said this before a think, this tax should only apply if the council can find suitable accommodation but the peeps refuse to move, end off, but there is not enuff suitable accommodation so the peeps cant win, how crazy is this..... notts council are in the process on knocking down 4 massive blocks of 1 bed flats, which by what i can gather theres nothing wrong with them, and guess what they building on the land ? so many 2 bed bungalows

[thered]

with respect, I think I have said this before, not sure who to, but what buisness is it of yours or mines if someone claims DLA or is too proud and sits with basic benefits ?

Its none of our buisness and this thread is about getting rid of the illegal bedroom tax, not making it sound like something that people want, read from post 1 onwards mate.

Too proud ffs


With respect to you my reply was to your link in post which mentioned, down syndrome,Joubert's syndrome and Autism

I find it hard to believe that this person or persons you mention is too proud to accept DLA

When they are not too proud to accept housing benefit, sick money and council tax

They have either failed to get it IMO or are not ill enough

As for it being ILLEGAL, i dont know how you come to this its money your given its not a tax.

and the thread was about you going to court if you are not prepared for questions or answers you do not like what chance have you got anywhere else

DLA is going in April to replaced by PIP, and by the nature of it's name(DLA), it is a benefit to enable disabled people to live a normal life, NOT to pay rent, that's what housing benefit is for,
and what has a mobility car got to do with anything, what are they supposed to do sell there car to fund the shortfall.

As for carers allowance, do you realise how much money the carers are saving the country,
the cost of someone who needs 24 hour care would cost around ?3k a week in a residential unit.

Another idiotic policy that will end up with the tax payer paying more in the long run.

The reply was to the link.

I know PIP is coming and all individuals will be assesed, if they need a car they will get one, if they need a carer they will get one. Does it really matter what its used for what difference does it make whether they sepend it all on rent or computer games?. You cant say to a worker they can only spend so much on this they can spend it how they like. Any person on dla required to make bedroom payment can either use sick money or dla doesnt matter which way does it??

We must live in different worlds i live at the bottom of the world and nobody i know actually needs a carer, they do it for the extra money

I know one person who goes halfs with cleaner, and others get it simply because they can. I dont know anyone on DLA who has anything wrong with them. Yes they turn up with walking sticks and go to doctors, and mental health workers regular doesnt mean anything ,they are full of it

The point is these people who needs to pay extra for a bedroom on dla and sick should have no problem paying