Bedroom tax, new thread !

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

Well I cant remember anyone worrying about me when I was hard up.

I dont use a bus pass, havent been on a bus for about 50 years.

dont watch the telly much. you dont get a free telly livence when you get to 65 by the way.

I must confess, I use the heating allowance to buy heating oil for my Linssen Grand Sturdy, it does take a bit of warming up.

I LOVE my old age pension, thank **** your not in charge.

You can come aboard later in the year, I will be on the Caledonian Canal.

[Saltire]

Well I cant remember anyone worrying about me when I was hard up.

I dont use a bus pass, havent been on a bus for about 50 years.

dont watch the telly much. you dont get a free telly livence when you get to 65 by the way.

I must confess, I use the heating allowance to buy heating oil for my Linssen Grand Sturdy, it does take a bit of warming up.

I LOVE my old age pension, thank **** your not in charge.

You can come aboard later in the year, I will be on the Caledonian Canal.

At least by the sounds of it you'll be in a boat, LOL, the rest of the people will be dead in the canals and the sea or anywhere else thats quick n easy to be rid of thier poverty stricken life all because of the constant onslaught of every English Government, there has never been one single government that has had the people say "well I think they are amazing" but there again, at end of the day in scotland during every general election it wouldnt have mattered at all if every single person came out and voted, all because there is a lot more people in england, so the english vote is what the people of scotland has had to live under all these years now whether we liked it or not, and the proof is right there in the pudding, WE HATED every single year of being ruled by an english government and thats why on the voting map every election you just had to look and see Scotland was a total different colour, but did it make one difference to us, NOPE, it certainly didnt.

That does my nut right in too man !

I have lots of friends and family through marriage that live in england and everyone of them agreed with me when I put this question to them, I asked "how would the people of england feel if they were totally ruled by a government in Scotland for Centuries ?"

They all had same answer and said they wouldnt accept it and would totally hate it !
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But anyway, to get back on track, this whole thread started off about the bedroom tax, has anyone got anywhere yet or know anyone that has got anywhere positive with the bedroom tax, I know that at least a couple of councils up here already have put it in writing that there is no way a person will be evicted from thier home due to bedroom tax arrears and as far as I know one of the largest councils has already came out and said that they apologised for sending letters to people saying they may be evicted for non payment of the bedroom tax, that council very quickly backtracked on that as it was all over the news and apologised and said it was a computer error and should not have happened.

So I guess if a few have already made thier stance legal and clear then the rest will have to follow as there is nowhere to hide now

I suppose we can talk about pensions etc too and how people are failing thier ESA/50 assements etc too as long as we stay on course, I myself was starting to go way off course with the discussion past few posts as I was getting carried away with it, but really we should be talking about these things in general, I hope you guys agree ? Cheers

[Saltire]

Would also like to tell people that dont already know that if you apply to your council if your in debt with the bedroom tax and other things too, you can call them and get them to send out a "DISCRETIONARY HOUSING PAYMENT (DHP) APPLICATION FORM".

You fill that in, in as much detail as possible even if you need to add extra sheets of paper too explaining all your debts, it needs to be debts you can prove, I.E - like things that you get statements for or emails if its setup for email rather than postal communication etc and stuff showing monthly on bank account etc, tell them every single thing thats proveable, and I am not saying you should do this, but if you have debts with an Illegal money lender then you should also tell them how much that is too, everything and anything at all.

I cant gaurantee you will get any help but you might, only way of knowing is to try.

Hope this helps anyone thats sitting in desperate need just now

[Saltire]

I hope so mate, I really do, but I feel that post is completely full of hate and biterness and I think you should either edit it or maybe an Admin or Mod could do the same job as this is way way way off topic and verging on Racist, sort it out someone please !

[cgscott]

Just pay for the extra rooms. I bet there's something stored in them so in effect you are using them.

Its a bit like moaning about having to pay a tv license but saying you don't watch BBC.

Family member of mine in same position but just has to pay for the extra rooms.

[Saltire]

come on mate, theres a joke section I think still on this site, youve been posting some good posts so far, but thats just a waste of time, please try and get back on track, I know I can only ask and you will do as you choose, but its been very interesting so far since february and might even have helped people with different things, but we cant go off the rails now, whats the point in that, if I find that I have nothing usefull to say nowdays then I say nothing, best way mate Just trying to be helpfull.

[Saltire]

Just pay for the extra rooms. I bet there's something stored in them so in effect you are using them.

Its a bit like moaning about having to pay a tv license but saying you don't watch BBC.

Family member of mine in same position but just has to pay for the extra rooms.

Yea but CG, what about the people that dont have 1 penny to pay that extra for even one extra room, and it doesnt work if you say its a computer room or a box room etc, if on the tenenancy agreements it says you live it a house with 2 bedrooms etc then its 2 bedrooms nomatter even if you have renovated that spare room into another toilet or anything, if its a council house and the tenenancy documents show its a bedroom then its a bedroom.

There is no way out of it unless you can get help with a a "DISCRETIONARY HOUSING PAYMENT (DHP) APPLICATION FORM", and are lucky and get help, ive looked at all avenues etc, the only thing I can say is that if everyone just holds out then the government will Uturn on this as there is simply no way they can help all these 100's of thousands of people and already in just a matter of a couple of months the bedroom tax debt has went through the roof and theres no way the poorest people can pay it.

So its just a no win situation for the Government.

[cgscott]

It is what it is. I pay my mortgage. If i chose not to pay my mortgage i lose my home.

People in the bedroom tax situation are being offered alternatives with incentives if they are unable to pay.

My family member has had the right to buy her home at a very reasonable price for years but was too stupid not too. Now all this is hitting she is moaning and now saying she probably should have bought when i told her to.

People think they are entitled to everything. Not to mention the only people moaning really are the ones on benifits who are getting the housing paid for them but that doesnt include the extra bedrooms. About time people were sorted out.

The working people are forced to rent private housing because the council have no housing for the families.

If for instance i was to be offered a 3 bedroom house for my family i wouldnt mind paying the council ?100 per week for it.
Lot less than i pay my mortgage.

However i do feel a bit sorry for the pensioners being put in this position when after all it may have been the family home for years but then again they will have had the right to buy at some point.

[Saltire]

What we seem to all be forgetting right now is there are thousands of people all over the UK going to food handout places to get food parcels etc, these people dont have 1 single penny, they may be mentally or physically ill or just unable to get a job, so on basic benefits they cant do anything at all, they cant travel on a bus, they cant eat (unless they are lucky enough to find any food parcels left), they cant heat thier homes, light thier homes, have hot water, no clothes that aint just rags, they have nothing and this is the face of GREAT BRITAIN right now, and then you get these idiots in the english government that try to say hey, we want you to pay us extra money because you have 1 spare room etc, and they person doesnt have 1penny spare, people somehow cant get that part into thier head, it could easily be you or me anytime anyday, you never know whats ahead in life and thats why we need to fight for the rights basically of ours, its our rights, not the governments rights, the governments try and enforce the rights, but if the public just stick together like they mostly have been doing so far and not paying this stupid bedroom tax then the government will uturn for sure, the government dont even have a clue what they are doing man, they couldnt arrange a game of bingo never mind run a country !

[digicon]

Hi Everyone,


Can i just remind some of you including our more seasoned members that we have Rules on the Forum to protect us all, A few posts have had to be deleted some for complete nonsense and some bordering on being racist as well as trying to circumvent Swear words which there is no need for.

So can we try and keep the debate civil between all participants as this new thread could end up going the way of the last one and i am sure no one wants that to happen.

Thank you to you all

Regards

[cgscott]

What we seem to all be forgetting right now is there are thousands of people all over the UK going to food handout places to get food parcels etc, these people dont have 1 single penny, they may be mentally or physically ill or just unable to get a job, so on basic benefits they cant do anything at all, they cant travel on a bus, they cant eat (unless they are lucky enough to find any food parcels left), they cant heat thier homes, light thier homes, have hot water, no clothes that aint just rags, they have nothing and this is the face of GREAT BRITAIN right now, and then you get these idiots in the english government that try to say hey, we want you to pay us extra money because you have 1 spare room etc, and they person doesnt have 1penny spare, people somehow cant get that part into thier head, it could easily be you or me anytime anyday, you never know whats ahead in life and thats why we need to fight for the rights basically of ours, its our rights, not the governments rights, the governments try and enforce the rights, but if the public just stick together like they mostly have been doing so far and not paying this stupid bedroom tax then the government will uturn for sure, the government dont even have a clue what they are doing man, they couldnt arrange a game of bingo never mind run a country !

What some people are forgetting is that the government are offering alternative housing. Downsizing to maybe a newer property with better furnishing plus they are offering money incentives for decorating the new home.

People are not getting a gun held to there head and being told to pay for the extra rooms or they are going to be homeless.

If that was the case then id see the point of this thread but as i said in my last post mostly the people complaining about this are the people on benefits with big houses that think it is their right to have the extra rooms even though the kids have moved on when in reality they could move out to a smaller home and let a working family in to pay the rent and have a lovely home at a lower rate instead of them having to pay a private landlord extra per month for the privilege.

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

What we seem to all be forgetting right now is there are thousands of people all over the UK going to food handout places to get food parcels etc, these people dont have 1 single penny, they may be mentally or physically ill or just unable to get a job, so on basic benefits they cant do anything at all, they cant travel on a bus, they cant eat (unless they are lucky enough to find any food parcels left), they cant heat thier homes, light thier homes, have hot water, no clothes that aint just rags, they have nothing and this is the face of GREAT BRITAIN right now, and then you get these idiots in the english government that try to say hey, we want you to pay us extra money because you have 1 spare room etc, and they person doesnt have 1penny spare, people somehow cant get that part into thier head, it could easily be you or me anytime anyday, you never know whats ahead in life and thats why we need to fight for the rights basically of ours, its our rights, not the governments rights, the governments try and enforce the rights, but if the public just stick together like they mostly have been doing so far and not paying this stupid bedroom tax then the government will uturn for sure, the government dont even have a clue what they are doing man, they couldnt arrange a game of bingo never mind run a country !

So if Scotland gets its independence, that will all change? [in Scotland].

Well I hope so, then the rest of the world will see how wonderful the Scottish system works.....Utopia in Scotland............

All the alcoholics in glasgow will be cured?........................



ps.

been down and out, so know what its like.

BUT.....I aint now and I assure you I never will be again.

[GastonJ]

What some people are forgetting is that the government are offering alternative housing. Downsizing to maybe a newer property with better furnishing plus they are offering money incentives for decorating the new home.

Only if that is the case. I've yet to be convinced that there are enough suitable 1 or 2 bedroomed social housing properties available within the UK for all of those people to move into. Whether there were sufficient properties (don't care whether they're better furnished or not) probably wasn't even a thought in the governments collective braincell when they came up with this. What they should have gone with is "If you refuse to move into a similar, but smaller property, when it becomes available we will reduce your subsidy by 25%" or however much it is reduced by.

If there aren't enough 1 or 2 bedroomed properties then how can everyone possibly not lose benefits?

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

Only if that is the case. I've yet to be convinced that there are enough suitable 1 or 2 bedroomed social housing properties available within the UK for all of those people to move into. Whether there were sufficient properties (don't care whether they're better furnished or not) probably wasn't even a thought in the governments collective braincell when they came up with this. What they should have gone with is "If you refuse to move into a similar, but smaller property, when it becomes available we will reduce your subsidy by 25%" or however much it is reduced by.

If there aren't enough 1 or 2 bedroomed properties then how can everyone possibly not lose benefits?

Ahhh, but what constitutes a "similar" property?

Some 11 year old local government officer who doesnt know his arse from his elbow,would not know a "similar" property if it fell on his head.

Its not just about bricks and blocks.

1. Personal memories, feelings etc of a unique home you may have occupied for a lifetime.
2. Local situation, convenience for your particular needs.
3. Personal imprint you have made at the home over possibly many years, plants in the garden, your beloved pet buried beneath the apple tree. etc .
4. There is a difference between a "home" and a "property"
5. Local neighborhood, shops, friends,neighbours, postman etc etc

Even if there where enough "properties" of similar construction [which there isnt] .Its not just about moving your residence, its about moving your home and everything else that goes with it.
The problem is the Governments, NOT the peoples.

SIMPLY PUT, IF SOMEONE DOES NOT WANT TO MOVE, THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO......END OF STORY.

[BigfatPaulie]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.... We are nothing more than cattle to these people... All the "spare" housing stock was sold off... Either to private tenants or housing associations, there is nowhere TO go... And once the benefit caps come into play, private renting will be unreachable for many.
This is a tax on the poor.. Nothing less.

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