anyone heard of Satellite box feeds causing problems with normal tv Aerial feeds ?

[digicon]

we need some more information if your on a Communal feed then your wall plates will be more than likely 2 x Sat, 1 x Aerial, 1 x FM/Dab, 1 x Return Feed ( for other rooms in your property ).

Now is the communal Dish/Aerial etc.. installed on your property if so the IRS Distribution could either be located outside (which is the Norm in weather proof Box) or as i have seen many times could be in your Loft with all cable feeds going to other propertys.

Can you upload a picture of the faceplates from your different rooms

[Saltire]

surely this day and age these tv aerial/sat guy contractors that come out to service and fix aerial and sat dish problems etc can get all the terrestrial tv aerial sockets working without having to go through a stupid circuit type thing like this seems to be, I thought that was the whole point of the setup of that thing thats in the attic, I suppose it is, maybe its faulty though, its hard to tell though, strange how it works one way but not the other way though and as I keep saying, everythings always worked perfect until now, hmmmm

[Saltire]

we need some more information if your on a Communal feed then your wall plates will be more than likely 2 x Sat, 1 x Aerial, 1 x FM/Dab, 1 x Return Feed ( for other rooms in your property ).

Now is the communal Dish/Aerial etc.. installed on your property if so the IRS Distribution could either be located outside (which is the Norm in weather proof Box) or as i have seen many times could be in your Loft with all cable feeds going to other propertys.

Can you upload a picture of the faceplates from your different rooms

I can remember there are 2 x communal sat feeds from the wall in the living room and almost 99% sure 2 x aerial feeds, one being output (i think) and one being the return feed (i think), I do not recall seeing a dab/fm socket though (all these in the living room), in the bedrooms its just simple tv aerial output sockets, thats all for a fact.

I will see if she is willing to move her curtains to take pictures of the sockets, be a moaning match though as she had the curtains a professionally made and fitted/hung etc, so lets see if she will allow it, LOL.

oh, P.S, funny you mentioned feeds in other properties......

Few years ago the persons house that the dish and and aerial are mounted on, the main cables came through their attic first and then to the other houses attics, so the dafties would sometimes accidentally let their electric power card meter run out of electricity and then it knocked out the other houses satellite and aerial receptions and we would have nothing until they topped up their electric later on.

In the end the contractors had to come out and do some magic, whatever they done I do not know, I cant even remember if they had to get in my attic or the neighbours or what, but in no time it was fixed and that was that problem solved so that that didn't happen again, but that was I think the last time anything like that happend for sure.

@Digicon, or anyone, does that info help any now ?

[Saltire]

ok, @digicon and/or anyone else, you asked for photos of the sockets and stuff behind the tv and the boxes and on the wall, well in no particular order here we have a lot of photos of them from behind the main living room tv where the main sockets and tv/boxes etc are, as for the bedroom sockets, as I said before, they are only straightforward output sockets for terrestrial tv in the bedrooms, just single sockets in each room. (the reason why I show a lot of photos as they were all took from very slightly different angles for best view, I hope yous can see them ok.

By the way, the reason why the the "return" and "tv" inputs/outputs dont have anything plugged into them was only so that I could show what the writing was on the sockets, soon as I took the photos I put the same old cables back into them that have always been in them.

So I hope now this maybe, helps a wee bit for someone to understand more.

I had to post the photo images on the next few posts as for some reason it wouldn't allow all in one, but anyways, you can see them all now, you will also see that I didn't take photos of the rear of the VU+DUO as that is unplugged anyway and not any point in taking pictures of, the other strange black box you can see is simply one of those old boxes that you could load all your movies and things onto and a lot more too, I think its broken to be honest as last I tried it years ago it didnt quite work and I said oh ferkkk it, , just cheap junk anyway its just used to taking up some gap space in the Tv Glass stand, thats all, LOL.

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[Hadron]

Ahh right. You have a communal satellite & communal terrestrial system. That complicates matters. LOL. I didn't realise that. From your earlier posts I just assumed that you had your own dish & aerial.

...if I remove the Sat feed from the sky+ box I lose all terristrial tv channels to all tv's yes whether or not the sky+ box is switched on or on standby...

Yep. So removing the voltage to the LNB (or rather the multiswitch in the attic) is somehow affecting the terrestrial system. You might have a combined multiswitch box in your attic that has inputs for the quattro LNB & terrestrial aerial. I have no experience of sat distribution systems, so will leave it to the experts.

As a matter of interest, do you know how many houses are supplied by this communal setup? Also, when you disconnect your sat feed & you lose your terrestrial TV signal, do you know if it affects any of your neighbours?

I wonder if the reason that the multiswitch was moved onto your attic years ago was to ensure a constant power supply to the multiswitch (I assume you're not on a prepayment meter like your neighbour was).

[Saltire]

Ahh right. You have a communal satellite & communal terrestrial system. That complicates matters. LOL. I didn't realise that. From your earlier posts I just assumed that you had your own dish & aerial.



Yep. So removing the voltage to the LNB (or rather the multiswitch in the attic) is somehow affecting the terrestrial system. You might have a combined multiswitch box in your attic that has inputs for the quattro LNB & terrestrial aerial. I have no experience of sat distribution systems, so will leave it to the experts.

As a matter of interest, do you know how many houses are supplied by this communal setup? Also, when you disconnect your sat feed & you lose your terrestrial TV signal, do you know if it affects any of your neighbours?

I wonder if the reason that the multiswitch was moved onto your attic years ago was to ensure a constant power supply to the multiswitch (I assume you're not on a prepayment meter like your neighbour was).

I am not on a payment card electric meter like the neighbour was that caused problems years ago when their electric ran out, all I can remember was the aerial/sat tech guy saying thats it all sorted now and you wont have a problem from now on and I havent in that respect of electric running out of power, there is only 3 houses use the communal sat dish and aerial ( i think the other two houses have cable though and dont use satellite, but thats not my buisness), but as I said, I am sure they made it so that none of us have that problem again, I just dont know what they done though, BUT, anyway, that was years ago and everything has always been fine ever since, so I doubt very much that has anything to do with the issue.

p.s, dont for get the VU box, that always had the sat feed into it until a week or two ago when I noticed this problem, with VU switched on and sat feed in the tuner it allows me to have terrestrial tv channels all over house, but the second the VU is put onto standby then there is no signal to the terrestrial tv on all tvs even including the living room tv too, so that is why right now I have the sat feed in the sky+ box which seem to make everything work as normal on standby or not.

could this possibly be a faulty LNB or faulty problem with whatever is in the attic or not ? if its defo a problem with either of those things then its simple for me to call out the repair guys, no skin off my nose so to speak, I just need to know what the flerkk is happening, LOL (or maybe the best suggestion even).

[cactikid]

now completely lost with sat feeds.
vu duo 2 feeds?
skybox 1 feed?
tv 1 feed ?
or is skybox sending feed to tv as i thought would be a scart or hdmi input.

1st photo looks like sat 1 + 2

[Saltire]

now completely lost with sat feeds.
vu duo 2 feeds?
skybox 1 feed?
tv 1 feed ?
or is skybox sending feed to tv as i thought would be a scart or hdmi input.

1st photo looks like sat 1 + 2

1 sat feed goes to the Tv as the tv has built in freesat as you can see in the photos, and the other sat feed used to always go to the vu sat box but since this issue began couple of weeks ago the only way I can get terrestrial tv aerial channels on the living room tv and bedrooms (Freeview) is by plugging the sat feed into the old sky+ box, simple as that, and it doesnt matter if thats on standby or switched on, still gives the terrestrial tv aerial tv channels the signal, I aint got a clue whats going on as that sat feed was always plugged into the VU box, but for now the vu box is completely out of the equation as you can see in the photos, the other black box you can see is some daft old thing I bought years ago that was handy for uploading movies too from usb etc and that was it, so forget that too. hope that helps.

p.s, the sky+ box has a scart connection to the tv too as you can see too (hdmi wasn't even out back in those days).

[digicon]

Just had a quick look at the Pics and my previous post was correct the Radio is the FM/DAB, you wont have your own Multiswitch this will feed yourself and the other property's with Freeview/Satellite and FM/Dab.

without actually testing it myself everything seems to relate to the faceplate it could be faulty or the IRS system Multiswitch on your feeds could have developed a fault, personally i would say your faceplate is at fault.

Solution if your in Rented/Council property is get the people back who service the IRS system and ask them check the switch and the faceplate. Or you could simply buy a new faceplate and fit it yourself

[Hadron]

I am not on a payment card electric meter like the neighbour was that caused problems years ago when their electric ran out, all I can remember was the aerial/sat tech guy saying thats it all sorted now and you wont have a problem from now on and I havent in that respect of electric running out of power, there is only 3 houses use the communal sat dish and aerial ( i think the other two houses have cable though and dont use satellite, but thats not my buisness), but as I said, I am sure they made it so that none of us have that problem again, I just dont know what they done though, BUT, anyway, that was years ago and everything has always been fine ever since, so I doubt very much that has anything to do with the issue.

p.s, dont for get the VU box, that always had the sat feed into it until a week or two ago when I noticed this problem, with VU switched on and sat feed in the tuner it allows me to have terrestrial tv channels all over house, but the second the VU is put onto standby then there is no signal to the terrestrial tv on all tvs even including the living room tv too, so that is why right now I have the sat feed in the sky+ box which seem to make everything work as normal on standby or not.

could this possibly be a faulty LNB or faulty problem with whatever is in the attic or not ? if its defo a problem with either of those things then its simple for me to call out the repair guys, no skin off my nose so to speak, I just need to know what the flerkk is happening, LOL (or maybe the best suggestion even).

I know that the problem you had years ago has nothing to do with the current problem, I just replied as a matter of interest.

As I said earlier, I wonder if the VU box used to keep the LNB active when in standby before it went faulty (like the sky+ box does), but the current fault somehow now switches off the supply to the LNB when in standby? It's just a theory. It seems obvious that the LNB needs to be powered for the multiswitch to work as it should, even though it has it's own power supply unit.

Another theory...what if the multiswitch power supply unit has failed? Could it be designed so that it takes it's supply from the LNB voltage should the mains power supply unit fail?

[Saltire]

Just had a quick look at the Pics and my previous post was correct the Radio is the FM/DAB, you wont have your own Multiswitch this will feed yourself and the other property's with Freeview/Satellite and FM/Dab.

without actually testing it myself everything seems to relate to the faceplate it could be faulty or the IRS system Multiswitch on your feeds could have developed a fault, personally i would say your faceplate is at fault.

Solution if your in Rented/Council property is get the people back who service the IRS system and ask them check the switch and the faceplate. Or you could simply buy a new faceplate and fit it yourself

Thanks for your replies guys, I shall get the council contractor out again, thats all I had to know as I didnt know if it was a fault with the VU box that was causing this or not because it seems to be fine with a sat feed plugged into the sky+ box (on standby or not) but I think you guys are saying that a sky+ box and a VU box are completely different with this type of issue, correct ?

What exact words should I use when asking them to do what I want so that I dont make an azz of myself and also let them off the hook too ?

Should it be something like "Please check the IRS system, the switch and the faceplate ?

Or should I word it better than that ?, that's all I need to know as if I give these guys an inch they will take a mile, and with that I mean they will avoid
doing jobs and just charge the council anyway, I am sure you know what I mean, so I want to make sure I hit the nail bang on the head with exactly what
I should actually be saying to the guy word for word, know what I mean ?

I honestly dont have the slightest clue about even what an IRS system is or nothing, I know what a tv aerial is and the cable that comes from it does, it plugs into an input generally, and I know what a satellite dish is and an LNB and the cables that come with that are and do, apart from that I dont have even the slightest clue, please help me out here chaps, thanks.

Please let me know a.s.a.p as I will be calling them tomorrow.

Thanks again.

[Saltire]

The council's contractor aerial/sat tech guy is coming out tomorrow morning first thing, I was hoping if someone here could please put it into words for me to say exactly what I should say to the guy as I ain't got a clue what IRS systems and all that are and the technical stuff you guys are talking about, you know what I mean ?

He could turn round and say something to me like, errm, "its your VU box mate thats faulty" or something like that and I wont know how to argue my way out of that, you guys know what I mean ?

Right now I have the satellite cable feed plugged back into the VU box and its allowing the Terrestrial tv channels to work on all the tv's in the house but the second I put the VU box onto standby it knocks out all the terrestrial tv channels even on the living room tv too.

I would be so very greatful honestly if someone could just tell me what to say to the guy and what not to say, please man ? Thanks guys.

[Meat-Head]

*CONFUSED * *LOST INTREST*

in therory only "one fault"

a) LOTS OF PHOTOS mark everything with tippex
b) remove areial plugs off every device

c) beg, borrow or steal a portable freeview tv
And externshion lead (plug in other side of room) use for a tester

d) tv man should have a meter (lije a volt meter) but for tv sugnaks