anyone heard of Satellite box feeds causing problems with normal tv Aerial feeds ?

[Saltire]

If you want to test if you still get Freeview in the other rooms without looping through the Sky receiver then just take the aerial lead out of the aerial input on the back of the receiver and then plug that into the 'Return' feed on the wall plate that is clearly labelled in your picture, at the moment you have nothing plugged into that 'Return' feed which makes me wonder how you are getting Freeview channels in the other rooms

Cheers digicon, I did have a cable plugged into the 'return feed' all the time, I only unplugged it for the photo you guys requested so that you guys could see the word that the cable was hiding mate,, after the photo was took the the cable was plugged back in again, that was all bud.

[Saltire]

UPDATE :

anyways, so the Aerial/Satellite guy came out today, very nice guy indeed, much nicer than the average moany faced ones, loL, yeah, good guy man.

Ok, so it was slightly later in the afternoon before he got here but was still able to spend approx 2.5 hours or something like that trying to figure this all out.

I showed him the problem as previously described to you all and he set about trying to work out what was wrong.

He was slightly or very bamboozled by this issue, he tested the face plate, the box in the attic and all sorts.

I ended up telling him to totally disconnect the Sky+ box which he did, so thats gone now too.

The only satellite connection there is now is the one going into the built in Freesat connection on the TV and that's it.

So, at one point he had it working as it should do which was a totally independent DVB terrestrial aerial connection
without any Satellite feed to the TV freesat or anything (I think ), this was after taking off the living room Faceplate and doing whatever he done, BUT, this unfortunatley only lasted for seconds .

I think what happened was he had to disconnect the cables to the faceplate for a second again and then there was no DVB terrestrial signal to either of TV's when he connected them again, so then he ended up in the attic testing, and I am 99% sure all he said he could see up there was a splitter/booster/amplifier thing like I did mention before in previous posts, but he said he didnt see any distribution box or anything like that but did say that he could see what looks like a couple of cables that look like they are either going to the house next door or possibly to the dish or flurkc knows where as its impossible for him or me to know that really, my guess is that there is some sort of flrcked up connection in one of the other two connecting houses that share the communal dish and aerial but all that was meant to be fixed a year or two ago so that each house was independent, doesnt look like it though eh, hmmm , but as I say, its impossible to say whats what really at this point.

He went outside and looked up and seen that it looks like the cables run into the other house, both the Sat Dish and TV Aerial are on the same wall pole on the other house, not my property.

So then he came back in and sat there totally determined to get this going as it should do, I.E - for this house to have a fully independent DVB terrestrial working aerial signal without the need for anything to power it such as a satellite box etc.

He tried and tried and tried, had all the latest fancy gadgets like mini tv and signal viewers etc etc etc, but still nope, the DVB terrestrial signal would not come back again on either TV, so as time ticked on and and it was getting later and later, he was running out of options and obviously time was against him too.

I do respect the guy though for spending like 2.5 hours trying everything he could, as I say, very nice guy who has been at this type of work for many years he said.

So, it was getting to late in the day for him and his hours of work as this was just not expected at all.

We did notice that the DVB terrestrial signals to both TV's was and is working when a single Satellite feed is plugged into the the built in
Freesat on the Living room TV, we could see that from the start though.

However, the DVB aerial signal on the Living room is all breaking up showing a very weak signal, but strangely enough in the bedroom its showing
a perfect DVB aerial signal.

Right, so, as things stand the guy said, it looks like for some very very strange reason the Freesat satellite tv connection seems to be powering up
the DVB signals which he said he has never seen in his life, plus the fact that now he isnt getting a DVB terrerstrial signal showing on his meter or
nothing.

He admitted that he has never witnessed anything quite like this and can only put this down to something to do with the what the contractors done
that originally fitted the systems in all the houses or something thats happened after that time, he really did try and was fully stumpped by this.

For working late in a friday afternoon he was right up against time and done all he could in the limited time that he had, but still admitted in all
the years in this type of work he has never seen anything like this.

He is going to discuss this with his boss over the weekend or Monday morning and get straight back to me with whats happening, it will be fixed
one way or the other, but as of now its FReesat on living room tv in order to get a DVB TV aerial signal, cant do anything else just now apart from
twiddled the thumbs

[ramjet]

, well it just goes to show how puzzling it all was

I suppose they may start again and wire you up with your own feeds but it seems they need to start from scratch looking at the above

they will have to decide if its more cost effective to just fit something new that they can readily understand , or try to get to the bottom of this old system

at least its their problem and not yours

[Saltire]

, well it just goes to show how puzzling it all was

I suppose they may start again and wire you up with your own feeds but it seems they need to start from scratch looking at the above

they will have to decide if its more cost effective to just fit something new that they can readily understand , or try to get to the bottom of this old system

at least its their problem and not yours

Yeah man, thank flerkc about that part of it being their problem and not mines, well, the councils problem really as they will have to pay for it.

I told him to stick up a seperate dish and terrestrial aerial on this building and forget the others, he said he would and could if it was payed for and allowed
by the council via his company, but I doubt that will ever happen.

[Saltire]

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Feel like doing that man !, FFS,

[Hadron]

So, one thing we all agree on...it's a weird setup! LOL.

Something that just occured to me, although obviously too late now, was that you could have asked him to take some photos of the box thats in your attic, so we could see for ourselves what kind of splitter/amplifier it was. It would also show us how many connections are sharing the box.

I take it that your council now has a contract with a different company to that which initially installed the aerial & satellite system, otherwise your aerial guy could have perhaps called back to the office to see how the equipment was fitted (assuming they keep accurate records of course).

[Saltire]

So, one thing we all agree on...it's a weird setup! LOL.
Something that just occured to me, although obviously too late now, was that you could have asked him to take some photos of the box thats in your attic, so we could see for ourselves what kind of splitter/amplifier it was. It would also show us how many connections are sharing the box.
I take it that your council now has a contract with a different company to that which initially installed the aerial & satellite system, otherwise your aerial guy could have perhaps called back to the office to see how the equipment was fitted (assuming they keep accurate records of course).

Good Idea mate, when he or they come back I will try and remember to ask them to take a photo of whats in the attic.

Also, I am pretty sure that the original contractors who hooked up the houses when the houses got built are not the current ones that they call to do repairs although I dont know, put it this way, the guy never mentioned it when I said the original contractors seem as if they have done a right azzole job of it all in the whole street.

UPDATE :


However, the DVB aerial signal on the Living room is all breaking up showing a very weak signal, but strangely enough in the bedroom its showing
a perfect DVB aerial signal.

Another Update :> been noticing over the weekend that as well as the living room tv having an extremely weak and broke up signal on the DVB terrestrial channels and not even tuning into a large amount of them too, ALSO, as soon as the tv in the living room is switched onto standby it fully knocks out/of the signal to the dvb terristrail signal in the bedroom, and if you switch the living room tv to DVB then the bedroom DVB signal goes off too, so the only way to do anything with dvb is to keep the living room tv on freesat so that I get a full dvb signal in the bedroom.

This is crazy man

p.s, hopefully the guy is back out tomorrow after speaking with his Boss etc as he said he would do, need this all sorted man as xmas is approaching very fast man.

[maca]

Have you ever thought you just might have a ghost with a remote control salty mate ?

[Hadron]

...been noticing over the weekend that as well as the living room tv having an extremely weak and broke up signal on the DVB terrestrial channels and not even tuning into a large amount of them too, ALSO, as soon as the tv in the living room is switched onto standby it fully knocks out/of the signal to the dvb terristrail signal in the bedroom, and if you switch the living room tv to DVB then the bedroom DVB signal goes off too, so the only way to do anything with dvb is to keep the living room tv on freesat so that I get a full dvb signal in the bedroom...

Yes. That fits in with the satellite LNB having to be powered to keep your terrestrial signal alive.

If you watch freesat on your TV the LNB is powered, so the terrestrial TV works upstairs. If you watch terrestrial TV on your living room TV, or put the living room TV on standby, then the LNB is unpowered, which we have established somehow blocks your terrestrial signals.

You say that the sky+ box has gone now, so did he replace it with a splitter? If so, your terrestrial channels might be weaker than before because you no longer use the sky+ box to split the signal. The sky+ box may have had an active splitter in it to compensate for the loss of splitting the signal, or even amplifying it slightly. The splitter will give you a loss in signal strength.

If you want to watch terrestrial TV both downstairs & upstairs, you will need to re-install the sky+ box to keep the LNB powered.

EDIT...just realised that you said that you have always had 1 satellite feed going to the freesat tuner in the TV. Have you now connected the sat feed that used to go to the sky+ box to the TV now?

[digicon]

Just my final 2p's worth if your on a Communal system which i personally think you are the LNB is powered all the time via the multiswitch if it wasn't then your neighbours would have been complaining about loss of Satellite and Terrestrial viewing.

From the main faceplate you have 3 cables coming in 1 - Sat/Terrestrial/FM/Dab, 1 - Sat, 1 - Return feed which does the other rooms thisis how most Multi-dwelling's are laid out cable wise. So you either have feedback somewhere which is knocking out the switch or the faceplate is faulty or even the main distribution switch and or just your outlet from the switch.

Ask the neighbours if they are having similar problems, this will rule out a few things

[Saltire]

Yes. That fits in with the satellite LNB having to be powered to keep your terrestrial signal alive.

If you watch freesat on your TV the LNB is powered, so the terrestrial TV works upstairs. If you watch terrestrial TV on your living room TV, or put the living room TV on standby, then the LNB is unpowered, which we have established somehow blocks your terrestrial signals.

You say that the sky+ box has gone now, so did he replace it with a splitter? If so, your terrestrial channels might be weaker than before because you no longer use the sky+ box to split the signal. The sky+ box may have had an active splitter in it to compensate for the loss of splitting the signal, or even amplifying it slightly. The splitter will give you a loss in signal strength.

If you want to watch terrestrial TV both downstairs & upstairs, you will need to re-install the sky+ box to keep the LNB powered.

EDIT...just realised that you said that you have always had 1 satellite feed going to the freesat tuner in the TV. Have you now connected the sat feed that used to go to the sky+ box to the TV now?

In answer to your questions, both satellite feeds have always worked fine and I assume still are, always had one plugged into the freesat on the tv and one on the satellite box of choice. (one sat feed right now is still plugged into the freesat tuner built into the tv, I had it like that to show the guy with it plugged in and not plugged in to show him what then happens to the Terrestrial dvb channels, for now the other sat feed isnt in use at this moment but will be soon).

And yes, you are correct, the guy did fit a splitter so that he could use the return feed socket etc or whatever its called, I noticed that straight away and said to myself "hmmm, thats strange as usually those UNpowered splitters cause signal drop" just like you suggested, I can remember in an old house years ago trying a normal splitter like he fitted and the signal was garbage, soon as I put on an electric powered splitter though the picture and signals etc were perfect, so yes, your correct mate.

The sky+ box is gone, its a piece of sheert man and looks horrible, my VU is being repaired hopefully this week fingers crossed although that has nothing to do with dvb terrestrial either.

[Saltire]

Just my final 2p's worth if your on a Communal system which i personally think you are the LNB is powered all the time via the multiswitch if it wasn't then your neighbours would have been complaining about loss of Satellite and Terrestrial viewing.

From the main faceplate you have 3 cables coming in 1 - Sat/Terrestrial/FM/Dab, 1 - Sat, 1 - Return feed which does the other rooms thisis how most Multi-dwelling's are laid out cable wise. So you either have feedback somewhere which is knocking out the switch or the faceplate is faulty or even the main distribution switch and or just your outlet from the switch.

Ask the neighbours if they are having similar problems, this will rule out a few things

Neighbours use Virgin cable as far as I know, but I am not about to ask them anyway as that's not my buisness.

Thanks mate, cant talk to the neighbours, they are the type that either dont say hello or just plain ignore other people, well that's what I find anyway, they seem to be ok people but I wouldnt even ask them for the steam off their pizz if I required a heat to be honest.

The Sat/aerial tech guy is pretty sure whatever is happening is caused by something going on in their attic next door, so thats how we stand for now.

Now, either the council will go through the process of gaining entry to their property to do what needs done or the satellite/aerial contractor has already sent a quote and full suggestions why they think the only way to solve this problem would be for them to be able to install a complete new setup on this property, Sat Dish, Aerial and all cabling etc, so I am now waiting on word back.

I just hope its the latter option that is accepted and that this property gets all its own Satellite and aerial etc, to be honest though, I cant see it happening, this is so frustrating man

[Saltire]

To my sweet surprise the contractor got the go ahead from the council to fit a brand new Sat Dish and Tv Aerial on this property (the full works, cables and everything), so hip hip hurrah

Now's the thing, I want to know the best LNB to ask them to use, best quality dish and all that stuff if anyone wants to give opinions please ?

I have twin sat feed connections (as you see in previous photos) in the house just now in the living room but that at some point I may wish to change to another couple or few rooms too if you get me, but thats in the future.

Keep in mind that I want the new install to be ready to take/add a motor to after the new year some time to turn it into a motorised system, any help would
be greatly appreciated.

I just dont want them to fit Junk as I have a fair Idea they will if I don't put my foot down now and demand certain things, remember I am as far south in Glasgow as
you can go, so those little pissy standard freesat/sky dishes I suspect will be no good, probably need to be slightly larger, eh ? (for full genuine sky subscription and in future motorised sat channels too from other countries etc I mean). (put it this way, even the communal dish that its currently connected to is much larger than one of those tiny little bottom of the range dishes I mean).

Anyways, you guys will keep me correct I am sure, thanks guys

[Hadron]

...I have twin sat feed connections (as you see in previous photos) in the house just now in the living room but that at some point I may wish to change to another couple or few rooms too if you get me, but thats in the future...

If I was in your position, I would take your Sky+ box to one of the upstairs rooms & let them know beforehand that you need a twin connection downstairs & upstairs. That way, you don't have to worry about drilling holes in the wall yourself, or getting someone in later to supply a feed to the upstairs room. While the installer is suppling a downstairs feed, he can do the upstairs at the same time.

I take it that there's a price limit on the installation?

It's a pity that we will never get to the bottom of what caused this strange behaviour, however, a good result for you.

[Saltire]

If I was in your position, I would take your Sky+ box to one of the upstairs rooms & let them know beforehand that you need a twin connection downstairs & upstairs. That way, you don't have to worry about drilling holes in the wall yourself, or getting someone in later to supply a feed to the upstairs room. While the installer is suppling a downstairs feed, he can do the upstairs at the same time.

I take it that there's a price limit on the installation?

It's a pity that we will never get to the bottom of what caused this strange behaviour, however, a good result for you.

Wouldn't that be at a personal cost though mate as the cooncil only provide sockets for DVB Terrestrial in the bedrooms and me no got extra dosh the noo
for such work etc ? (the upstairs Sat Sockets I mean).

p.s, I am wondering where all the new cabling will go, will it be on the outer walls of the house or hidden inside the walls of the house as it is right now with the communal system ?