DM500 and N3 upc card

[satman]

Right,, done a little digging for you elhelfe,
rom142 dt8 cards are not supported in newcs,,,
in spain they have rom142 some boxes have no RSA key used and they can still use card,, but this is not support in newcs,,,
newcs is need rsa and boxkey ,,,
add me to msn please
but problem is they try make more difficult, but easier to chat in livetime

[freck]

The pace DC621KU boxes were installed with N2 cards before the N3 switch.

n2 never ran here in Cork it went from N1 straight to N3,the N2 stream was on but never implemented,i had other boxes like itgate,dream running on the same line that didnt need the N2 fix but people in Dublin did which tells me that N2 never happened down here and anyone in Cork will tell you that.
Freck

[cozierj]

RSA

I know that Newcs does not support n1 session method. Does CCcam ?


Regards

[mgb17]

n2 never ran here in Cork it went from N1 straight to N3,the N2 stream was on but never implemented,i had other boxes like itgate,dream running on the same line that didnt need the N2 fix but people in Dublin did which tells me that N2 never happened down here and anyone in Cork will tell you that.
Freck

It looks like you never checked which streams were available in Cork. UPC used N1, N2 and N3 side by side in multicrypt mode.
You didn't need the N2 fix because N1 was still available and the boxes kicked in at the N1 streams.
If you got a pace DC621KU that box kicked in at the N2 stream before the N3 card exchange and the N2 stream switch off.

[sakiblateef]

I did some digging and came across this useful tutorial.


Pure nagra3 cards dont work direct in cccam. They need the help of Newcs link it to cccam.
CCcam + Newcs using radegast protocol is the easiest to connect. Alternative is using MPCS server.

Use Cccam 2.0.8 or above + Newcs_1.20.
Yes for nagar3 is best Newcs_1.20 and not latter versions as they cause restets on the card.

Here I will explain how to do that based on YOUR local official card.

First you need the Boxkey and RSA of your receiver to be able to pair the card to the receiver. In some case of old receivers you only need boxkey.

First find out what your CAID.

Examples:
Zon tvcabo and DigiTV = 1802
Digital+ Spain = 1810
Polsat = 1803

On your CCcam.cfg file below or above the F lines if any are used you need to add a line like this exmaple for tvcabo or digitv:

R: 192.168.2.2 10000 1802 0 256

R: 192.168.2.2 10000 1802 0 256

R: = Radegast protocol

192.168.2.2 = Use your local receiver IP. Dont use localhost or 127.0.0.1 as it will not work here.

10000 = This is the radegast port number that need to be set on the newcs.xml file.

1802 = This is the CAID that identifies your card type/providor.

0 or can also be 000000 = Is the remaped providor ID that CCcam wants to work.

256 = This was a secreet untill a few months ago. A bug realy on cccam but lets you use any version from CCcam 2.0.4 or higher and your card shows as a local card. CCcam works faster if you have it appear as local.


Now as for configuerarion of your newcs.xml file
On /var/tuxbox/config/newcs.xml

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!--

For setup-issues, look in readme.txt!
If there are other troubles, try different forums or irc channels around :o)

The configfile are NOT case-sensitive, and shouldnt care about dos/unix cr/lf.
-->

<newCSconfig>

<readers name="Card Readers">
<device>
  <name>lower</name> 
  <type>Sci</type> 
  <node>/dev/sci0</node> 
  <export>yes</export> 
  <enabled>yes</enabled> 
  <blocksa>no</blocksa> 
  <blockua>no</blockua> 
  <blockga>no</blockga> 
  <boxkey>0000000000000000</boxkey>  
  <rsa>0000000000000000000000000000000000000</rsa> 
  <PTShandshake>no</PTShandshake> 
  <crypto-special>no</crypto-special> 
  <carddetect>yes</carddetect> 
  <newcamd_port>34000</newcamd_port> 
<sid>
<allow>
<id />
  </allow>
<deny>
  <id /> 
  </deny>
  </sid>
  <priority>hard</priority> 
  <Seca-PPV>no</Seca-PPV> 
  </device>
	</readers>
	<radegastserver>
			<enabled>Yes</enabled>
 		<port>10000</port>
			<allow>
				<hostname>localhost</hostname>
			</allow>
	</radegastserver>
	<cache>
	<emm>20</emm>
	<ecm>-1</ecm>
	</cache>
	<httpd>
		<server> <!-- Port to accept connections on -->
			<port>8080</port>
			<enabled>yes</enabled>
		</server>
		<user>
			<name>newcs</name>
			<password>newcs</password>
			<accesslevel>admin</accesslevel>
		</user>
	</httpd>
	<debug>
			<password>newcs</password>
			<mode>simple</mode>
			<level>normal</level>
	<type>init</type>
		<output>console,tcp</output>
	<console_options>normal,init</console_options>
	<logfile>/hdd/newcs.txt</logfile>
	<file_options>spam,all</file_options>
		<udp_host>localhost</udp_host>
			<udp_port>1000</udp_port>
	<udp_options>normal,init</udp_options>
			<tcp_port>1001</tcp_port>
	<tcp_options>normal,init</tcp_options>
	</debug>
<newcamdserver>
  <enabled>Yes</enabled> 
  <name>satserve</name> 
  <deskey>01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14</deskey> 
  <userfile>/tmp/users.txt</userfile> 
<user>
  <name>dummy</name> 
  <password>dummy</password> 
  <spider>off</spider> 
  <sidoverride>on</sidoverride> 
  <au>on</au> 
</user>
</newcamdserver>
</newCSconfig>

Pairing Sections to note:

<boxkey> = unique to all nagra3 cards and must have it.
<rsa> = some older receivers dont use it but most new do.


RADEGAST Section:
Must enable this at last to localhost or IP as by default is not enabled.
You can also use the word all instead of localhost if you intend to share with other receivers in the house or specially if you are runnig windows version of newcs and linking it to your receiver.

<radegastserver>
<enabled>Yes</enabled>
<port>10000</port>
<allow>
<hostname>localhost</hostname>
</allow>
</radegastserver>



Edit:

Due to the present cable boxes using N1 cards in the UK we may be able to get away with just using the Box key for pairing.

[mgb17]

It help not much for a N3 card coming from a old box.
There is simply no RSA key and such a card was initialized to use the old N1 session key method and nothing else.
There is no N1 session key support inside newcs.

[sakiblateef]

It help not much for a N3 card coming from a old box.
There is simply no RSA key and such a card was initialized to use the old N1 session key method and nothing else.

Thats the best bit about it as per the above post. If there is no RSA key then you can still share your N3 card without having to worry about finding the RSA key which if needed could prevent the sharing of the new card.

As my above post since all present boxes are using N1 cards there may be no RSA key but later boxes will most definately have them.

[satman]

and only in rom142,,,
it is a trick by some emus,,
but as for 180, i dont think this trick exists.

[red devil]

Thats the best bit about it as per the above post. If there is no RSA key then you can still share your N3 card without having to worry about finding the RSA key which if needed could prevent the sharing of the new card.

As my above post since all present boxes are using N1 cards there may be no RSA key but later boxes will most definately have them.

so you think all boxes peeps have got for the last few years dont have rsa and even when they recieve new n3 card they can share using bk only ?
that could be the breakthrough we need

[mgb17]

You could share in such circumstance without RSA but not with newcs and CCcam.
If newcamd cardserver or gbox is working you have to check out by yourself.

[sakiblateef]

so you think all boxes peeps have got for the last few years dont have rsa and even when they recieve new n3 card they can share using bk only ?
that could be the breakthrough we need

According to the tutorial I found it could be possible the only way to find out is to enter the box key only to the newcs.xml file when pairing it to the box. If it don't work then you know the RSA keys is needed hence we have a big problem on our hands until we find away of extracting that info.

Any future boxes the cc have will definately use RSA key.

[despdan]

@Red Devil

Have you tried reading any of those nagra3 cards with the BK using Newcamd ?

[red devil]

@Red Devil

Have you tried reading any of those nagra3 cards with the BK using Newcamd ?

sent a backup image to elhefe to try and no joy

[mhalley]

@elhefe

Have you made any progress with the N3 card

[elhefe]

hi all
sorry ive been away for a bit been doing a lot of reading up on this and and have made a little progress still no working pictures yet.

ok i have tried to read the n3 card its a
ROM Revision: 142
EEPROM Revision: RevG02

as read from nagraedit with my smartgo.

i have tried to setup that sakiblateef reccomended but to be honest i have no idea if it will work.

i say this because when i select what softcam to use with the blue panel i have the following options

common interface
radegast 4.2_rel10
cccam 2.011
cccam 2.011/newcs 1.66
cccam 2.011/mpcs 1.05a

i added the ragdgast seperatly from the addon's as i figured its needed but i do not know what option of the 4 to activate

the text file ive attached has my newcs.xml/radegast.cfg and my cccam.cfg for someone to have a look at and ttry to explain what needs to be done