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  • reddevil157
    DK Veteran
    • Jan 2010
    • 1427

    #46
    Originally posted by SouthernComfort
    Not dressing anything up, nor making excuses but I would try to understand so that it could never happen again. I find it ironic that killing children is the answer to killing children. There are many things most of us will never understand but we should make the effort.
    My point mainly was how many opportunities there were to prevent this horrible act, can everyone here put their hand on their heart and say they would have acted differently.
    If it's not too personal m8, have you got kids ?
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    • barrowmanandrew
      V.I.P. Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 3427

      #47
      Originally posted by SouthernComfort
      Not dressing anything up, nor making excuses but I would try to understand so that it could never happen again. I find it ironic that killing children is the answer to killing children. There are many things most of us will never understand but we should make the effort.
      My point mainly was how many opportunities there were to prevent this horrible act, can everyone here put their hand on their heart and say they would have acted differently.
      i've read this a few times now, i'm sure i must be reading it wrong,
      what do you mean by "can everyone here put their hand on their heart and say they would have acted differently"?

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      • SouthernComfort
        DK Veteran
        • Feb 2011
        • 403

        #48
        Originally posted by reddevil157
        If it's not too personal m8, have you got kids ?
        It is personal as are some of the comments here relating to the death of relatives, any of your relatives been murdered?

        Originally posted by barrowmanandrew
        i've read this a few times now, i'm sure i must be reading it wrong,
        what do you mean by "can everyone here put their hand on their heart and say they would have acted differently"?
        How many people could have prevented it, the facts are well established, numerous people could have prevented it and did nothing.
        Last edited by SouthernComfort; 7 May, 2011, 00:14.
        "What we've got here is failure to communicate."

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        • barrowmanandrew
          V.I.P. Member
          • Nov 2009
          • 3427

          #49
          Originally posted by SouthernComfort
          It is personal as are some of the comments here relating to the death of relatives, any of your relatives been murdered?
          yes, i have had a 2 close relatives murdered....

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          • reddevil157
            DK Veteran
            • Jan 2010
            • 1427

            #50
            No, none been murdered, thank God
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            • SouthernComfort
              DK Veteran
              • Feb 2011
              • 403

              #51
              Originally posted by barrowmanandrew
              yes, i have had a 2 close relatives murdered....
              Did you murder those responsible?
              "What we've got here is failure to communicate."

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              • barrowmanandrew
                V.I.P. Member
                • Nov 2009
                • 3427

                #52
                Originally posted by SouthernComfort
                Did you murder those responsible?

                what utter bullshit you post...

                on your last post you said it was too personal a question to ask if you had kids, then you come out with nonsense like that...

                no right minded person would make a post like that,

                you are either an idiot or a troll......

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                • opsmonkey
                  V.I.P. Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 5379

                  #53
                  The problem with society today is that there are too many leftie hippy Liberal dicks who are more concerned with human rights rather than victims rights..

                  This country needs to go back to 70s style policing and capital punishment..

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                  • SouthernComfort
                    DK Veteran
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 403

                    #54
                    Originally posted by barrowmanandrew
                    what utter bullshit you post...

                    on your last post you said it was too personal a question to ask if you had kids, then you come out with nonsense like that...

                    no right minded person would make a post like that,

                    you are either an idiot or a troll......
                    It was a rhetorical question as I know you didn't which makes your point baseless, some people are so quick to say "I would do this or that" but when it comes down to it very few are capable. Excuse me if I find most of the comments made ludicrous but i suppose until you are in that situation it would be hard to comment.
                    No point trying to convince me you could kill two ten year old kids.
                    Last edited by SouthernComfort; 7 May, 2011, 01:15.
                    "What we've got here is failure to communicate."

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                    • barrowmanandrew
                      V.I.P. Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 3427

                      #55
                      Originally posted by SouthernComfort
                      It was a rhetorical question as I know you didn't which makes your point full of sh*t, you have no idea what you are talking about so quick to say "I would do this or that" but when it comes down to it very few are capable. Excuse me if I find most of the comments made ludicrous but i suppose until you are in that situation it would be hard to comment.

                      1. it looked like a direct question to me.... maybe make that clearer in your next post.

                      2. in which post did i say "i would do this, and i would do that"?
                      i don''t remeber saying anything like that.

                      3. "you have no idea what your talking about"

                      you don't know the first thing about me or my background,
                      so for you to pass comment like that on me , its fair to say you dont know what your talking about.....

                      4. which comments do you find ludicrous?
                      can u be more specific?

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                      • SouthernComfort
                        DK Veteran
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 403

                        #56
                        Originally posted by barrowmanandrew
                        1. it looked like a direct question to me.... maybe make that clearer in your next post.

                        2. in which post did i say "i would do this, and i would do that"?
                        i don''t remeber saying anything like that.

                        3. "you have no idea what your talking about"

                        you don't know the first thing about me or my background,
                        so for you to pass comment like that on me , its fair to say you dont know what your talking about.....

                        4. which comments do you find ludicrous?
                        can u be more specific?
                        "
                        Originally posted by barrowmanandrew
                        You would be well within your rights
                        to murder two ten year olds"
                        Think you may be wrong unless things have changed since i last checked.
                        Anything relating to murder as a response to murder, it doesnt work.
                        Last edited by SouthernComfort; 7 May, 2011, 01:12.
                        "What we've got here is failure to communicate."

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                        • satsmo
                          V.I.P. Member
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 6397

                          #57
                          The topic at hand though debatable is left open as a thread to do so.

                          Please remember to respect each other and as such I am asking people to calm down and return to the topic at hand without "personal" remarks.
                          I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer. - Douglas Adams

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                          • SouthernComfort
                            DK Veteran
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 403

                            #58
                            Originally posted by satsmo
                            The topic at hand though debatable is left open as a thread to do so.

                            Please remember to respect each other and as such I am asking people to calm down and return to the topic at hand without "personal" remarks.
                            Apologies satsmo, never intended for it to get personal, will retract some of what i said but the issue is quite sensitive.
                            Apologies also BM but some things irritate me.
                            "What we've got here is failure to communicate."

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                            • barrowmanandrew
                              V.I.P. Member
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 3427

                              #59
                              Originally posted by SouthernComfort
                              " to murder two ten year olds"
                              Think you may be wrong unless things have changed since i last checked.
                              Anything relating to murder as a response to murder, it doesnt work.
                              it was a reply to a previous post,
                              the poster commented on how he would react to anyone who attacked his family in a similar manner.
                              as i father of a young family i can understand his views,
                              i never mentioned murdering 10 year olds, but i take your point...
                              of course i would never dream of such a thing, but as you said its an emotive issue, which gets me worked up too.

                              i apologise for being personal in previous posts.

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                              • SouthernComfort
                                DK Veteran
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 403

                                #60
                                I appreciate everyones points, as a parent you must do everything in your power to protect your children. I also have first hand experience of the devastation such things cause.
                                So many young lives are wasted, my comments about society sort of directly relate to the circumstances of the case. So many people saw a young child in distress and just ignored or were too busy to intervene. It's sad to think any one of them could have prevented it.
                                I know it may seem I am defending their actions but I'm not, far from it, what they did was inexcusable but they were kids.
                                After the trial I read all the evidence that was available and the whole case was sick. Before that day they were victims, they were abused by those closest to them, the actions of those around them helped create the monsters they became.
                                I struggle to think of any ten year old being capable of such an act but I was never the victim of abuse.
                                You only have to look at some of the more recent cases to see some of the animals that are parents, how that affects those children we will never know.
                                Protecting them is wrong, especially as adults but whats the alternative, capital punishment was abolished in 1969 in GB, if people want to change that they need to act.
                                I could happily put Mr Williams to sleep but I know I wouldn't resolve anything and yes I would probably react like everyone else in this thread but I've also seen where that leads.
                                "What we've got here is failure to communicate."

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