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[janobi]

Well, I have read through 2 pages of abuse since my last post, and am suprised that I have been called a troll by a mod! Not once have I posted a personal opinion, I have tried to be objective on this whole situation, which seems a lot of people are not being.

At no point did I say I agreed with what the 2 killers did, nor how they have been treated afterwards. However, this mob mentality is not what governs us, the people of the UK.

People have mentioned corporal punishment and death penalties, yet this has been proven not to work. Just look at the US Judicial system, they have much higher crime rates than anywhere, and the death sentence is prevelant there.

Yes these 2 boys killed a child, and that is something that should never be forgotten. However, they were children themselves, I personally would question the upbringing they had, the family they grew up in, the environment they were living in. All of this could give reasons as to why these individuals commited this travesty. And yes it was a travesty!!

We society have to take some responsibility for how our children are or act. How many here allow children to watch older films that there age, or play games that have a higher rating than there actual age? Could this lead to violent behaviour in later life? Who knows?

Aldus Huxley's A brave new World talks of a savage being taken from his land, and made to perform for the civilised people, and when he escapes, they hunt him down. Who are the savages in the book? The savage himself, or the civilised people?

Whats my point? By casting damnation, and calling for someone to be killed because they have wronged you or commited a crime against you, does that not make you a savage, just like the savage who commited the original crime?

Crime is crime, and laws are laws. We have to abide by them, one and all. Yet many here think its ok to break laws as it suits them, then accuse others because they have commited a crime that they feel is heinous. Seems a bit hypocritical to me

As I said earlier, Let he who hath no sin, cast the first stone!

[Shady]

I've just asked my 2 kids whether killing someone is good or naughty, they are 4 and 7 years old, they both gave the same answer 'naughty'.
So don't anyone try and tell me that them two little bastards didnt know what they were doing was wrong.

[irishbluestaffy]

listen m8 i don't think u live in the real world crime is crime but there is petty crime and so on,as for upbringing police officers have children who grow up to b drug addicts royals taking drugs so i think yr wrong there children can come from very bad eares and do so well in life,so i would say yes its in them to b this way as for growing up to b a police officer there all bent and corrupt and they have caused many deaths they r a law onto themselves,doctors drug addicts giving wrong medicine touching up there Patience,teachers pedoes and so on,so wake up m8 and smell the coffee

[SouthernComfort]

I've just asked my 2 kids whether killing someone is good or naughty, they are 4 and 7 years old, they both gave the same answer 'naughty'.
So don't anyone try and tell me that them two little bastards didnt know what they were doing was wrong.

Fair enough, could you also ask two children of similar age, who were raped or beaten by their parents, family or friends.
Apologies if my point is blunt but who taught them what was right and wrong?
Many of the effects of child abuse are well documented, put yourself in that situation, the people closest to you hurt you, those you look up to cause you constant pain and suffering, what do you learn from that?
Feel I need to reiterate the point that I'm not making excuses for their actions just trying to understand what made them capable.
If i were to agree with what you were saying then that means anyone heres children are capable of the same , that it could somehow be an inherent quality.

[Shady]

no mate..you're right, lets blame the parents, lets blame society, lets blame (i believe it was 'childs play') movie. lets blame mortal kombat, ANYTHING not to blame them little pair of evil coonts. My point is.. They KNEW what they was doing was wrong.. they did the ~~~~er ANYWAY. too right.. string em up.. torture the little bastards.. quick death would be too good for them

[SouthernComfort]

So we take them to the streets and you torture them to death.
OK I'm with you now, how silly of me. Now you've made it clear I fully understand, do the same rules apply to everything or specific cases?

[Lainie]

i agree they were fully aware of what they were doing and should rot in hell. please remember we are not just protecting those 2 but their families as well. as they are adults they could marry a relative of yours - now who in their right mind would be happy at (or find it acceptable) that if they knew who they really were!

[Bulld0g]

Well, I have read through 2 pages of abuse since my last post, and am suprised that I have been called a troll by a mod! Not once have I posted a personal opinion,

I posted my response as a member not as a mod, it was my personal opinion and moderation never came into it so i don't know why you felt the need to mention that.
"I guess judging someone from behind a keyboard is pretty easy. Remember we dont know the whole facts of any of this. And yet were all so quick to condemn these poor individuals. No-one is born evil, there is no such thing as good and evil, it is something we learn as we get older, and not something we are born with."
Who's opinion was that by the way if it wasn't yours ?

[Shady]

So we take them to the streets and you torture them to death.
OK I'm with you now, how silly of me. Now you've made it clear I fully understand, do the same rules apply to everything or specific cases?

well obviously not, now you're just being facetious.

the law has punishments that correspond to the severity of any crime.. mine and others feelings are that any crime against children should be punished even more than the law allows currently.

[SouthernComfort]

well obviously not, now you're just being facetious.

the law has punishments that correspond to the severity of any crime.. mine and others feelings are that any crime against children should be punished even more than the law allows currently.

Do something about it then, your opinion is just that, as is mine, it's easy to say what you would do with no experience, hopefully no one here will ever have to make such a decision but things like this do happen, its how we deal with them that matters.

[flyingpig]

Just my two pence worth.

Those 2 killers have served 7 years in jail (sorry cushy institution because it wasn't jail) for one of the most sickest and vile murders our generation has seen. Jail is about punishment and also trying to stop people re-offending by changing their behaviour. The individuals concerned in my opinion (and many others as well) have not been punished enough for their crime regardless of how old they were when they committed it.

They have also had better lives than most people who are law abiding citizens - how can that be just? They also should not be allowed to hide in society with new identities - they committed the crime now live with the consequences.

Always try to think of it and how you would feel if it was your kid they had carried out those vile things on. BTW Have people forgotten what those 2 did?

[lagerland]

Its all getting a bit silly now aint it dont 4get what an opinion is ....
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof.........

[SouthernComfort]

Some of the most intelligent people in the world, relating to the subject, have debated this very same issue, the outcome we have seen. If anyone has a better proposal, what is stopping you from putting it forward. Draw up a petition for harsher punishments and I will be more than happy to sign, you may struggle to get the torture aspects through (U.N.C.A.T) but nothing stopping you from trying.

[tshirtman]

There is another option,
Stick them on a section 37/41 of the mental health act, that would put them on a much tighter licence, also they could in theory be kept locked up for the rest of there lives,
If you read what they actually did to Jamie Bulger, they cannot have full mental capacity, as in the case of Mary Bell

[janobi]

I posted my response as a member not as a mod, it was my personal opinion and moderation never came into it so i don't know why you felt the need to mention that.
"I guess judging someone from behind a keyboard is pretty easy. Remember we dont know the whole facts of any of this. And yet were all so quick to condemn these poor individuals. No-one is born evil, there is no such thing as good and evil, it is something we learn as we get older, and not something we are born with."
Who's opinion was that by the way if it wasn't yours ?

When a mod, all posts are posted as a mod. And no where in that whole sentence have I said this is my opinion. Where did I say "I think?"

Would you not agree:

A. We dont know the whole facts of everything that has gone on with this case?
B. Morals are taught, and not something were born with?

As stated earlier, I have been objective throughout this whole conversation, rather than just saying to hang them!