Bedroom tax, new thread !

[Saltire]

They do have money though, that is the thing. Again today I was door knocking in the morning and phoning in the afternoon all day in work. I knocked on one door the fella had a cracking panny plasma telly and his neighbour who was on benefits had a Saab convertible - it was an old'un like, but was still taxed, mot's and insured. It is a joke!!!

Do these people smoke, or drink? If so, that money should be put towards the rent and not on fags and booze!!

When my money is tight, I cut my cloth accordingly. This week we have had to have swans eggs on toast as we cant afford the Golden Eagle ones - Joke!!

In all seriousness though, I do cut my cloth accordingaly, and so should people on benefits!! No car, no ciggies, no fags, no boss clobber from Next.

I have to laugh at this, so now people with a tv or a gadget bought by a family member because they cant afford it is being classed as rich in your eyes ? thats what youve just said.

And for the clothes, howd you know they didnt get thier next labled clothes from family or friends too ?

that statement youve just made mate is just utter rubbish unless the dhss can prove that the persons rolls royce and rolex watch belongs and was paid for by them totally on state benefits. best laugh of the day so far with respect.

[Diddy]

My attitude entirely by buying my house i am saving the goverment almost ?5000 a year.

Not to mention new central heating, windows and kitchens ect that get fitted from time to time

If i live another 40 years and assuming my housing benefit stays the same ( which im sure it wont)

I will have saved the tax payer over ?200,000

What a selfish greedy, short sighted, ****ker i am

Assuming you were not always claiming benefits like you are now then I would hazard a guess that during your mortgage years you would have been paying rent instead of mortgage ?
So YOU would have been paying the state for the property in which you live in no ?
Saving the state WHAT ? How much ? How much (in real terms) did the house you live in cost the tax payer to build/maintain until you bought it....Clue is look at the full value of the other houses in you area and you will be in a ballpark figure...So once again how much have YOU saved the taxpayer ?
What about when the time comes for you to either move on/down size/die or whatever....Your house going back to the state is it ? No of course its not ffs. It's your asset not the state's. So it's two fingers to any other family who needs a social house in your area then.
Multiply you by a few million and yeah we can see how much the state has benefited from selling you all housing that was worth in many cases 300% more than what you paid. What an asset you all were.
I stand by my statement.

*BTW the only reason I mention YOU personally is that YOU are trying to make out YOU have personally done the tax payer a favour lmfao.

[thered]

Assuming you were not always claiming benefits like you are now then I would hazard a guess that during your mortgage years you would have been paying rent instead of mortgage ?
So YOU would have been paying the state for the property in which you live in no ?
Saving the state WHAT ? How much ? How much (in real terms) did the house you live in cost the tax payer to build/maintain until you bought it....Clue is look at the full value of the other houses in you area and you will be in a ballpark figure...So once again how much have YOU saved the taxpayer ?
What about when the time comes for you to either move on/down size/die or whatever....Your house going back to the state is it ? No of course its not ffs. It's your asset not the state's. So it's two fingers to any other family who needs a social house in your area then.
Multiply you by a few million and yeah we can see how much the state has benefited from selling you all housing that was worth in many cases 300% more than what you paid. What an asset you all were.
I stand by my statement.

*BTW the only reason I mention YOU personally is that YOU are trying to make out YOU have personally done the tax payer a favour lmfao.

Not just me m8 i know a few people who bought council houses on the dole, me grandad came out of work and was on the sick for twenty years before he died

he still bought his house

it still had a coal fire in when he bought it, he payed for his own fire, and central heating and his own windows, kitchen, rewiring ect

He could have claimed housing benefit

The council since have changed windows twice, changed gutterings 3 times, kitchens 3 times and, rewired once, changed heating systems twice, changed fire twice and are currently changing roof tiles all paid for by government cash

There are other people on benefit who bought house

these people have saved country thousands and could have just sat at home claiming housing benefit

In real terms i probably paid more than house cost, the wife was on housing benefit before i moved in as was the person before

The house hardly making millions was it?

There is a reason it was introduced, and is still around to this day

It saves money and creates money through mortgages

If you cant see it fair enough

[Diddy]

Not just me m8 i know a few people who bought council houses on the dole, me grandad came out of work and was on the sick for twenty years before he died

he still bought his house

it still had a coal fire in when he bought it, he payed for his own fire, and central heating and his own windows, kitchen, rewiring ect

He could have claimed housing benefit

The council since have changed windows twice, changed gutterings 3 times, kitchens 3 times and, rewired once, changed heating systems twice, changed fire twice and are currently changing roof tiles all paid for by government cash

There are other people on benefit who bought house

these people have saved country thousands and could have just sat at home claiming housing benefit

In real terms i probably paid more than house cost, the wife was on housing benefit before i moved in as was the person before

The house hardly making millions was it?

There is a reason it was introduced, and is still around to this day

It saves money and creates money through mortgages

If you cant see it fair enough

Still cant see it tbf. But their is an even bigger eye opener here if you like - You have "paid" for a social house using benefits lmao - and you have the temerity to state that those on those very benefits should either pay more rent/have benefits reduced OR move out . If you can not see the real irony in that then "fair enough" .
BTW earlier in the thread you stated that you have had many jobs including well paying ones and shit paying ones....just saying like.
I really have heard and read it all now -someone who is claiming sickness -decry's others claiming sickness as "faking it ect" and also buy's their council house using those very benefits that they blast others for receiving . Gawd I need to go lie down to digest that one.
Benefits must pay very well in your house mate for you to recognise that 1. There is enough "spare"to pay out more -2. You can buy your council house using them. 3. You can maintain said council house on them.
I will now stop quoting your situation as its your private business mate and nobody else's affair including me. I just love the irony of it all.

[jordigirl]

Is that a given or is it subject to scrutiny?

its all subject to scrutiny bd (serious scrutiny now atos have took over )

my mum has pp multiple scelrosis, worked her whole live until she retired, had to fight for 3-4 years to get disablilty money,

[jordigirl]

not all private rents are higher then social housing rents,
my other half rents out flats and he could ask for a lot more than he does, the council flats near to where his flats are cost a lot more to rent.

[thered]

Re: Bedroom tax, new thread !

Still cant see it tbf. But their is an even bigger eye opener here if you like - You have "paid" for a social house using benefits lmao - and you have the temerity to state that those on those very benefits should either pay more rent/have benefits reduced OR move out . If you can not see the real irony in that then "fair enough" .
BTW earlier in the thread you stated that you have had many jobs including well paying ones and shit paying ones....just saying like.
I really have heard and read it all now -someone who is claiming sickness -decry's others claiming sickness as "faking it ect" and also buy's their council house using those very benefits that they blast others for receiving . Gawd I need to go lie down to digest that one.
Benefits must pay very well in your house mate for you to recognise that 1. There is enough "spare"to pay out more -2. You can buy your council house using them. 3. You can maintain said council house on them.
I will now stop quoting your situation as its your private business mate and nobody else's affair including me. I just love the irony of it all.

Thanks

So if benefit pays ok for me why does it not for anyone else

Btw if i didnt buy my house i would have bought another privately. I then probably would have lost it as mortgage would have been dearer, leaving me in a council home back on housing benefit

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[gmb45]

*off topic from the bed tax*

dla is being scammed rotten, i know loads who are doing it, this is a benefit that really needs to be looked into not dragging money out of peeps with the bedroom tax shite, if your on high rate mobility and care your talking a lot of money a week you will be getting other disabled benefits as well if your on both high rates, if they sorted this out proper they wouldnt need to rob a few ?s off the people who have nothing, its a disgrace how dla is abused, but it seems to me the gov is afraid to really get to grips with it because of the pc brigade. also dla is supposed to be used by the recipient to make life easier for them selves but in the majority of cases rarely is, and why should they get free parking every where ? they get enuff money to pay like an annual charge for parking, this is another thing that would bring a lot of money into the coffers as there is prob a million or more peeps on the high rate of mobility that is need to recieve free parking.

[Diddy]

Thanks

So if benefit pays ok for me why does it not for anyone else

Btw if i didnt buy my house i would have bought another privately. I then probably would have lost it as mortgage would have been dearer, leaving me in a council home back on housing benefit

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I have no idea mate. Some people know what to claim/who to claim it off. Some people don't. Some people don't claim all they are entitled to - The DWP figures suggest that the figure for unclaimed benefits is much higher than that of fraudulent claims...I do not have the figures to hand but im sure google will assist if you need to see back up of that statement.
Good luck to you mate I really mean that....it's obvious we just disagree on where/how/and how much the tax payer cash should be spread around. I wish you all the health and wealth in the world mate...just because we have different views on political things don't mean we are not human. Have a good day, Im off out as apparently It's my job to treat my misses on mothers day even though we have no kids . She has grown up ones from previous marriage but I am the "kid" today .

[Diddy]

*off topic from the bed tax*

dla is being scammed rotten, i know loads who are doing it, this is a benefit that really needs to be looked into not dragging money out of peeps with the bedroom tax shite, if your on high rate mobility and care your talking a lot of money a week you will be getting other disabled benefits as well if your on both high rates, if they sorted this out proper they wouldnt need to rob a few ?s off the people who have nothing, its a disgrace how dla is abused, but it seems to me the gov is afraid to really get to grips with it because of the pc brigade.

It is being looked at from april the conditions are much stricter. You will litterally have to be unable to walk OR propel yourself in a wheelchair without sever discomfort for 20 meters or something along those lines.

[gmb45]

It is being looked at from april the conditions are much stricter. You will litterally have to be unable to walk OR propel yourself in a wheelchair without sever discomfort for 20 meters or something along those lines.

imo
and what about peeps with mental health probs physical probs are easy to see, mental health is a diff matter. these new "tests" will be for new claimants, next door neighbour lost her dla not long ago so lost the dla car, but have just spent 2k on a car so must have got it back, before the 2k car spent 1k on another car which was scrapped not long after.

[cgscott]

imo
and what about peeps with mental health probs physical probs are easy to see, mental health is a diff matter.

In some cases yes its difficult to judge mental health.

But clearly MEAT-HEADS mental health is clearly visible so not in all cases.

[gmb45]

In some cases yes its difficult to judge mental health.

But clearly MEAT-HEADS mental health is clearly visible so not in all cases.

many a true word said in jest .

[jordigirl]

you don't have to be in receipt of higher rate mobility to get a blue disabled badge you can apply to the council.

you also have to be under 64 to apply for dla if you are over you have to apply for attendance allowance which does not include the mobility component

[gmb45]

you don't have to be in receipt of higher rate mobility to get a blue disabled badge you can apply to the council.

you also have to be under 64 to apply for dla if you are over you have to apply for attendance allowance which does not include the mobility component

ah when a was on aboot high rate mobility was prob thinking aboot a dla car not the badge, i stand corrected by a geordie bird ffs

either way by what ive seen theres more getting dla that shouldnt than there is peeps getting it that deserve it, and probably a lot people cant get it who should be, the system is a complete mess init. my point is if the gov had the bottle to sort it out proper they prob wouldnt have to introduce this crazy bed tax,

*on topic*

i know how the bed tax is going to affect peeps, i was in a grotty bedsit at one time getting only 60 odd a week, by time a had paid out leccy etc i was left with 20 odd a week to live on, is that living ? its not even existing, most weeks my sister fed me who lived close by, i ate stale bread etc, i even nicked stuff oot of my sisters cupboards because of pride, my mum sometime used to bring me a food parcel down, even tho she is a pensioner and skint herself, i smoked dog ends off the street, so you cant tell me this bed tax is not going affect a lot of people very bad, because is know it is.

this tax is wrong wrong wrong