Bedroom tax, new thread !

[thered]

My thoughts on this make logic really.

People on very low or just low benefits should not need to pay any tax's at all, no council tax, no bedroom tax, no tv licence, nothing.

Afterall, as I keep saying, if they cant afford to even EAT or HEAT then how the hell can they pay all these taxes and things like the tv licence etc, they cant, simple as that.

Ive seen it first hand with hundreds of people over the years, sitting there with either no food or no heating etc just because they have to pay all this garbage from the government.

Thats my honest feelings on the matter.
p.s
and that goes for very low paid working families too, they should have a very good deal that helps them out too as they cant afford to HEAT or EAT either.

The Tories should be forced to hand over all the tax they screw us for for things like petrol etc, whats that right now, something like 90% of every gallon of petrol sold goes straight in the back pocket of the english government not to mention everything else they are raping us for ! Then we would have a nice place to live and people wouldnt complain, cause this country is an absolute dump man, no wonder everyone wants out of it, I'm just glad I have dual nationality and am seriously thinking about going back to my family in the USA again where life is so so so so so much better and cheaper for most things, dont get me wrong, a lot of things are more expensive, but in general its far better, well where my family live anyway, laid back area.

Its more like 60% tbh

But yes it is extremely high

been very high for a long time i think labour put an escalator on it

If these people cannot eat and heat themselves how are they alive??

I think it may be a slight exaggeretion

May be different in your neck of the woods but round my way they all have designer trackies, smoke green, manage to buy cans and the takeaways do a great trade

Hardly starving to death

[thered]

So you think buying a property that is/was the property of ALL of the UK at 30% of its true value is not a greedy thing to do ? You think that the cash raised from the "sale" of these houses helped anything ?
Good luck to you having bought a council house and even better luck if you got it at full discount - But I can still say I believe it was selfish/greedy/short sighted just a little bit of the "Im alright jack and F-U attitude that Thatcher brought to this country.

My attitude entirely by buying my house i am saving the goverment almost ?5000 a year.

Not to mention new central heating, windows and kitchens ect that get fitted from time to time

If i live another 40 years and assuming my housing benefit stays the same ( which im sure it wont)

I will have saved the tax payer over ?200,000

What a selfish greedy, short sighted, ****ker i am

[Saltire]

Its more like 60% tbh

But yes it is extremely high

been very high for a long time i think labour put an escalator on it

If these people cannot eat and heat themselves how are they alive??

I think it may be a slight exaggeretion

May be different in your neck of the woods but round my way they all have designer trackies, smoke green, manage to buy cans and the takeaways do a great trade

Hardly starving to death

I'm surprised to see (as I googled it there) that the 60%-ish figure seems to be about right at this moment in time for the tax that the englund government are sticking straight in thier back pockets, its been a while since I looked, but at one point it was 96%, but thats going back a good few years ago.

Anyway, even 60% is still way far too much and if they could plough even 20% of that 60% into the issues we'r having just now then this country would be ohh so smoother, but no doubt they will tax something else higher like they do all the time anyway.

And as far as you quote mate, with respect, you said

"If these people cannot eat and heat themselves how are they alive??
I think it may be a slight exaggeretion".

No mate, I know what you mean but I am FAR from exaggerating, I go into houses where people dont even have a bar of carbolic soap never mind food and heating and not one penny to last for days and then when they get thier money nearly the whole lot goes on the tax's and bills etc and then they have to sit again the same way until the next payment and this goes on and on, the social service do do handouts of bags of groceries etc when they can, but its just bloody rediculous, and now this bedroom tax will put these people into the street sleeping in a doorway or a homeless unit, they would be lucky to get into a junkie ridden homeless unit cause they are ALL going to be full to the brim in the next few months if something doesnt change with this idiot bedroom tax.

[flyingpig]

back to the blood from a stone story, AGAIN, how can someone with not one single penny spare at end of week of bare benefits find ?50 per month just because they have one spare tiny room which is classed as a bedroom ????

They cant work for whatever reason or claim extra benefit for whatever reason (doing the government a favour in other words), how can they pay the money, does it really grow on trees or do you really want to see all these types of people (there are plenty of them) out on the street sleeping rough or overloading homeless units all because of this bedroom tax, tell the truth now, I know you will anyway as its pretty obvious.

They do have money though, that is the thing. Again today I was door knocking in the morning and phoning in the afternoon all day in work. I knocked on one door the fella had a cracking panny plasma telly and his neighbour who was on benefits had a Saab convertible - it was an old'un like, but was still taxed, mot's and insured. It is a joke!!!

Do these people smoke, or drink? If so, that money should be put towards the rent and not on fags and booze!!

When my money is tight, I cut my cloth accordingly. This week we have had to have swans eggs on toast as we cant afford the Golden Eagle ones - Joke!!

In all seriousness though, I do cut my cloth accordingaly, and so should people on benefits!! No car, no ciggies, no fags, no boss clobber from Next.

[flyingpig]

sorry mate, but if people check thier tenenacy agreement they will see it says what accomodation they live in, for example, 4 person, 2 bedroom, I.E - 2 bedrooms and thats all that matters, maybe your area differs ? so much for working for the housing dept eh ? , maybe you picked it up wrong, easy mistake I suppose, .

Exaclty what I said - it is what it is let as - i.e. 1 bed, 2 bed etc...

I was replying to the rumours about this 70sq ft crap which is not even close to being true!!!

I do work in housing and have a legal background. I can honestly say, I know what I am talking about. I work for one of the largest social housing providers in the country.

[flyingpig]

Certainly. As i said in an earlier post #322 it has not been thought out. It's not balanced, it's unfair. Apart from the reasons i stated there is also the fact that an unemployed family renting from a private landlord will be unaffected even though private landlords often charge a much higher rent which is paid by the state.
How you can say everyone will benefit is beyond me. How can someone who was living in a nice area is then moved to a one bedroomed flat and the block is filled with smackheads and alchies benefit?
Take in a lodger? Yea he might be a paedo or thief but who cares as long as the rent is paid eh?

Like i said, in principle it could be a good thing but it hasn't been thought out by the Tories and chaos will ensue.

Private renting went through a smiliar thing in 2011 where tenants are given so much per room / by area, and if they want to live in a bigger house than they get money for, they have to pay the rest!!! You get the same money for private rent as you do for social housing - it is a myth that you don't.

Beggars cannot be choosers, and if you are on benefits in social housing, you should not be bedroom blocking. As it means we have to build more houses for which there is no money, never mind the land!

Anyone can take in a lodger, my sister took one in a few years ago. Nothing wrong with it mate - she lived in Halewood.

It will be good for everyone as we cannot continue on as we are. We have increasing number of people living on social handouts, and it is increasing - not becuase of a lack of work, but a lifestyle choice.

I live in Liverpool like you - in Huyton, and I know loads of people who prefer to be on the dole and it p!sses me off. They actually choose it, so if they have even less becuase of this change, they may have to do something different - like get a job!

Also, you cant say that there is not enough jobs. My dad 70 is still working and getting jobs, it is a choice that we make, we either want to or dont. Thing is the people who dont want to work still want to have things like they work!!

[flyingpig]

Some other myths removed!!

People who are in the army are not classed as underoccupying unless they are away from home for more than 12 weeks. If they are, they are expected to support their parents with income as you would any other household member who works, you would expect them to contribute to the bills..

Private renting has gone through the same system in 2011 and you are only entitled to a certain amount of rent towards a property, yes you can live in a property that costs ?1000 p/w to rent, but you have to make up the shortfall between the asking price and what you get of the social.

A bedroom is any room in the house / flat classed by the landlord as a bedroom.

There are no size limits on the rooms that provides guidance on what minimum size a bedroom should be.

[Bulld0g]

I agree with some of your points but disagree with others. I didn't know private renting had a overhaul, can you tell me anymore about it? i have a feeling because it was so low key it didn't really affect anyone.

Yes anyone can take in a lodger but i would like the option to walk bollock naked around my own house if i chose to without having to consider anyone else. Maybe your sister was lucky with her choice of lodger, what happens if you hate each other but still live in the same house,what might the implications be?

Yes i agree there is jobs around if you want to work, but why should a tradesman work in mcdonalds for minimum wage after doing 3-5 years in college and an apprenticeship. The country is ***ed up and we are getting migrants undercutting our rates because it's still good money for them and they can send a good wedge home to their family to save for when they rejoin them?

I have always worked but i am not blinded and brainwashed into thinking everyone who is unemployed is a fraud. There are plenty of those around and we all know many of them but lets not lose sight of the fact that we also know lots of genuine people who cant work because of disability etc.

[flyingpig]

Defo agree about walking around bollock naked... Haha...

I work in social housing, and as I said earlier i was working today out informing tenantns, and finding out how they will pay the shortfall. Once of the points that came up was around private landlords, and this was answered by the specialist we had in. I do remember it coming in, but not as big as a deal as this. You are correct that it was low key.

THe maximum amount for any person who claims HB is worked out on a formula, if say you and I both exactly the same circumstances rent privately, our allowance maybe ?500 per month. I may go to social rent and they will charge say ?400 per month, so the state saves ?100 per month on the max allowed, however you may go and get a ?600 per month house, but you will have to make up the ?100 over your ?500 allowance. We still have the same amount of HB that we could claim, it is just that my landlord is substantially chaeper than the max.

That is the same up and down the country.

I started off as an electrician with a trade background at Liverpool City Council, and I would work anywhere, even McDonalds to pay the bills, wouldn't be arsed. Totally agree with the lack of available trades positions due to the influx of foreign workers but that is a whole other debate.

[allycoops]

My attitude entirely by buying my house i am saving the goverment almost ?5000 a year.

Not to mention new central heating, windows and kitchens ect that get fitted from time to time

If i live another 40 years and assuming my housing benefit stays the same ( which im sure it wont)

I will have saved the tax payer over ?200,000

What a selfish greedy, short sighted, ****ker i am ;)

You have at last said something I and a lot more people will no doubt agree with. Thank you for confirming what i have always thought!!!

[Bulld0g]

Yea but the bottom line is
social landlord rent = x
Private landlord = y
y is more expensive but that's ok because we allow for more benefits to be paid to y

we're sorry about all you people who come under x but we don't have the money to keep you where you are, why not find landlord y

[appymcfc]

bedroom tax

my mate worked for 35 years and paid rent on his house 25 years in a tin house built for temp accom 50 years ago now gen disabled for three yrs lives on ?90 or so still has payfor elec/gas lives amongst friends now will have to move to a flat dont seem fair to me
appy

[Snowy79]

Realistically I think the Government are happy to bring this in as they realise it won't hurt as many people as the opposition are making out. We all hear about there being no jobs yet look how many immigrants managed to get work.

Even just looking around my local area and the lads that I know who are unemployed and by this I mean never had a real job since they left school. Everyone has made it a life choice as they know they have a better life than by working. They openly take the piss out of me as they worked out by the time they had their council tax, rent and other benefits they are on the same money as me. Add to this they do one cash in hand job a day and they beat my money hands down.

Their average day consists of getting out of bed about 11am, going to the bookies, clean a few windows or cars etc cash in hand. Hit the pub and do dogy deals. A few of them even have their rent paid for them yet live with their girlfriends in their tax payer funded flat. Then you wonder why there's not enough accomodation.

[thered]

Re: Bedroom tax, new thread !

You have at last said something I and a lot more people will no doubt agree with. Thank you for confirming what i have always thought!!!

Would like you to elaborate ?

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[appymcfc]

bedroom tax

quite agree but you will find that it is not them that are hit it is the genuine ones that now are recently disabled that are made to have rigorous six month checkups while those that have took the pi"" have new cars and LOADS MORE BENEFITS
hit the right people
appy