Bedroom tax, new thread !

[Snowy79]

I think the replies to this thread pretty much highlights why something needs to be done to sort out society. Regerdless what any Government tries to bring in to sort out the housing problems they're going to be up against chancers trying to get something for nothing, which will have the adverse affect on those that actually need the housing.

If anyone gets into rent arrears due to being unable to pay the extra the Council/Housing Association should be given the powers to do them a favour and give them a compulsory tenant. If the tenant has had a criminal disclosure check that comes up clean, in they go. If they refuse to have a tenant kick them out and put them in a homeless hostel.

This will free up accomodation for those that need the spare rooms for carers etc and reduce the Council bills freeing up money to be used on other services that are being cut.

[Saltire]

Too proud ffs
With respect to you my reply was to your link in post which mentioned, down syndrome,Joubert's syndrome and Autism

I find it hard to believe that this person or persons you mention is too proud to accept DLA

When they are not too proud to accept housing benefit, sick money and council tax

They have either failed to get it IMO or are not ill enough

As for it being ILLEGAL, i dont know how you come to this its money your given its not a tax.

and the thread was about you going to court if you are not prepared for questions or answers you do not like what chance have you got anywhere else

Do you mean have I got somewhere else to talk about this ?

of course I have, I am one of the main people on the sites that people share the stuff that matters. (if thats what you meant).

Also told you our dear friend who unfortunately is a scottish lib dem and hates this tax idea from the tories is our close friend, ive already mentioned this before at the start and I think without looking back I also admitted i didnt word it correct from the start but I soon fixed that.

so no harm done.

And it is a TAX whether you like it or not its a TAX, even most of the government dogs call it a tax, they may try and dress it up to not look like a tax, but its a tax ontop of all the taxes your paying right now, these are words from the mp's and msp's etc, not just mines.

[masur123]

Definition of tax

Definition of tax in Oxford Dictionaries (British & World English)

Definition of Benefit

Definition of benefit in Oxford Dictionaries (British & World English)

Hope this clears things up

[Saltire]

Definition of tax

Definition of tax in Oxford Dictionaries (British & World English)

Definition of Benefit

Definition of benefit in Oxford Dictionaries (British & World English)

Hope this clears things up

LOL, i should get all the videos of the mp's calling it a tax and post them up just for the sake of it, lmao.

But no, you guys are trying to suck me into the off-topic area, this is off topic, lets get back to the original post at start of thread and onwards and what most MP'S call it, "the bedroom tax".

was fun though there while it lasted for 2 seconds, o, not !

[masur123]

It sort of is on topic.

A benefit is a state handout, the state is therefore entitled to apportion that benefit as it sees fit.

[Snowy79]

Going back on topic and regardless what an individual calls the cost of living in a property if it does go to court the judge will look for a legal definition.

[Saltire]

It sort of is on topic.

A benefit is a state handout, the state is therefore entitled to apportion that benefit as it sees fit.

yes, its a sort of tax which way you want to look at it.

but all you have to do is watch the political programmes on tv or have a politician in yer house like me and they call it "the bedroom tax", the only people who prefer to try and not call it a tax is a "TORIE", simple answer, ohh, and the technical definition in the dictionary which doesnt really count as its well known as the bedroom tax, anyway, enough of wasting time and space on that, we know what it is.

[masur123]

Ok, lets look at it another way.

There is a large pot of tax money that the government uses to pay, lets call it "Stuff".

Most people who either work for the government, or rely on the government, want a piece of this "stuff".

Now, with government borrowing significantly high at the moment, the amount of things this "stuff" can pay for is dropping by the day.

I think people in houses that are to big for them are a drain on this "stuff" and should pay their way like everyone else in life, otherwise something that is more important than an extra empty bedroom is going without some of this "stuff".

[thered]

LOL, i should get all the videos of the mp's calling it a tax and post them up just for the sake of it, lmao.

But no, you guys are trying to suck me into the off-topic area, this is off topic, lets get back to the original post at start of thread and onwards and what most MP'S call it, "the bedroom tax".

was fun though there while it lasted for 2 seconds, o, not !

Ever wondered why mps call it a tax?

Its because it sounds better they know its not a tax

Benefit is not a tax

so how can telling someone their benefit is to be reduced, a tax??


Doesnt matter which lib dem you know, you started the thread saying you have property's but want to fight the tax, you then said its not for you its for family/s on the sick.

I think you will struggle with the points you put forward tbh, and your only hope is for it to get shelved by a Tory uturn.

If it comes in see if Labour ditch it

[Saltire]

Ever wondered why mps call it a tax?

Its because it sounds better they know its not a tax

Benefit is not a tax

so how can telling someone their benefit is to be reduced, a tax??


Doesnt matter which lib dem you know, you started the thread saying you have property's but want to fight the tax, you then said its not for you its for family/s on the sick.

I think you will struggle with the points you put forward tbh, and your only hope is for it to get shelved by a Tory uturn.

If it comes in see if Labour ditch it

thier already talking about a Uturn the now as you call it, hopefully we wont see labour in our government, I hope by then the people in scotland use thier heads and vote YES to be independant, if not then the only party up here will be labour and thats it, we are not so stupid to vote in a Conservative Party, thats why we only ever have maybe 1 tory in scotland if ye look, your welcome to them.

Again, off topic, I'm done, need to watch the footie, I have 100quid on real madrid to win, cya after.

[flyingpig]

with respect, I think I have said this before, not sure who to, but what buisness is it of yours or mines if someone claims DLA or is too proud and sits with basic benefits ?

Its none of our buisness and this thread is about getting rid of the illegal bedroom tax, not making it sound like something that people want, read from post 1 onwards mate.

It is not a tax, nor is it illegal. It is as much these things are as I look like Brad Pit.

The government are apportioning the amount of housing benefit provided based on the number of occupants and bedrooms in teh property. Not a tax at all.

You and all the other people against it, do not start getting your argument right you are dead in the water!!!

It is not a tax, and it is not illegal. You clearly do not understand what these words mean.

You find people commonly calling it a tax so they can win favour with daily mail readers, however, the law does not recognise it as this.

If you pay someone some money for doing nothing, and you then after consultation (years of) change the way you pay and how the money is attributed, which is a very complex formula, and it turns out that there are winners and there are losers, it has gone before parliament and the house of lords, how on this earth can it be a tax or illegal.

You are unreal!!

[firestorm]

Some of you seem likely to be hit by the bedroom tax on their council properties and upon hearing about this discretionary housing payment as a form of help for people who are struggling I thought I'd give a heads up as it might help and it seems to have been kept rather quiet.
Discretionary housing payments (DHP) may be claimed if you get housing benefit or council tax benefit, but are having difficulty paying the rest of your rent yourself.

You may be able to get them if your housing benefit has been cut because of the 'bedroom tax'. Find out more about these top-up payments and how to claim.
Each housing/council tax benefit department is given a pot of money each year to help people who qualify for housing or council tax benefit, but are having trouble paying their rent or council tax. The council decides who should be given the payments. When the money for the year runs out, no more payments can be made.

Discretionary housing payments (DHP) may be paid weekly, or can be a lump sum. They can also be backdated.
more details can be found on the Shelter site
Not sure if it is very relevant but if it helps one person out of a shit situation then its all good.

[Saltire]

Some of you seem likely to be hit by the bedroom tax on their council properties and upon hearing about this discretionary housing payment as a form of help for people who are struggling I thought I'd give a heads up as it might help and it seems to have been kept rather quiet.
Discretionary housing payments (DHP) may be claimed if you get housing benefit or council tax benefit, but are having difficulty paying the rest of your rent yourself.

You may be able to get them if your housing benefit has been cut because of the 'bedroom tax'. Find out more about these top-up payments and how to claim.
Each housing/council tax benefit department is given a pot of money each year to help people who qualify for housing or council tax benefit, but are having trouble paying their rent or council tax. The council decides who should be given the payments. When the money for the year runs out, no more payments can be made.

Discretionary housing payments (DHP) may be paid weekly, or can be a lump sum. They can also be backdated.
more details can be found on the Shelter site
Not sure if it is very relevant but if it helps one person out of a shit situation then its all good.

cheers firestorm, didnt know that, will look into it. The people who just cant afford 1penny towards the bedroom tax need some kind of help if it gets to that point which I hope not but have been told that it will run its course, I guess its a case of waiting to see who backs off first, isnt it.

[masur123]

Some of you seem likely to be hit by the bedroom tax on their council properties and upon hearing about this discretionary housing payment as a form of help for people who are struggling I thought I'd give a heads up as it might help and it seems to have been kept rather quiet.
Discretionary housing payments (DHP) may be claimed if you get housing benefit or council tax benefit, but are having difficulty paying the rest of your rent yourself.

You may be able to get them if your housing benefit has been cut because of the 'bedroom tax'. Find out more about these top-up payments and how to claim.
Each housing/council tax benefit department is given a pot of money each year to help people who qualify for housing or council tax benefit, but are having trouble paying their rent or council tax. The council decides who should be given the payments. When the money for the year runs out, no more payments can be made.

Discretionary housing payments (DHP) may be paid weekly, or can be a lump sum. They can also be backdated.
more details can be found on the Shelter site
Not sure if it is very relevant but if it helps one person out of a shit situation then its all good.

Yes this payment exists, but again there is only so much to go around, and it supposed to be used for genuinely needy, and not those who refuse to pay the extra, but still buy their fags and beer and lottery.

This payment will in no way cover everyone, and when its gone it is gone.

[flyingpig]

The DHP is discretionary and is funded by the local authority. It is not funded by central government. I don't know about where you live, but around where I live you have councils cutting budgets by ?50m a year!!! Libraries are closing, local playgroups are dissapearing etc.

LA's will be very sparse with this money, and although it is available, I think this will be tight and not handed out easily by LA's. This has also been verified by the leader of a local authority near to where I live.