Bedroom tax, new thread !

[Snowy79]

Ultimately regardless how long someone has lived in a property unless they own it it belongs to the Country. It's as it says on the tenancy agreement, rented. If they can't afford it then move in a tenant. Sure it may touch on someones memories etc but I'd rather money was saved to be spent on life threatening issues like the Health Service, the real disabled and real homeless.

Sharing is good enough for students and the Armed Forces so like it or lump it. Or maybe even educate your kids to either not bread what they can't feed or to pay atention at school and gain quals that make them more employable then maybe they can afford to live where they want.

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

quote"It's as it says on the tenancy agreement, rented. If they can't afford it then move in a tenant".


BUT WHAT IF THEY CAN AFFORD THE RENT, NOT BEING SUBSIDISED ETC?...........PLEASE ANSWER !

[tornado]

Tenant that sounds easy but its not first u need to find one u can trust then your hb will stop and your have to apply for it again then u can be taxed on what your tenant pays u then if your on the dole there stop your money so your have to sort that out as well its never ending,i will also point out the dwp will class u as living together at some point and its not easy to prove there just a tenant and if your tenant is working dont even go there. U also need to ask if u can sub let.

[Snowy79]

If you can pay the rent it won't affect them. Simples. It's only those that can't pay it that's affected.

quote"It's as it says on the tenancy agreement, rented. If they can't afford it then move in a tenant".


BUT WHAT IF THEY CAN AFFORD THE RENT, NOT BEING SUBSIDISED ETC?...........PLEASE ANSWER !

[Saltire]

What some people are forgetting is that the government are offering alternative housing. Downsizing to maybe a newer property with better furnishing plus they are offering money incentives for decorating the new home.

People are not getting a gun held to there head and being told to pay for the extra rooms or they are going to be homeless.

If that was the case then id see the point of this thread but as i said in my last post mostly the people complaining about this are the people on benefits with big houses that think it is their right to have the extra rooms even though the kids have moved on when in reality they could move out to a smaller home and let a working family in to pay the rent and have a lovely home at a lower rate instead of them having to pay a private landlord extra per month for the privilege.

CG, show me a half decent alternative downsized council house compared to maybe the extremely nice slight 1 extra bedroom house that you have now, show me one available mate, theres none, none at all, the stupid Government let everyone buy nearly all council houses years ago for 10p (nearly, but not far off it), and they didnt build any small 1 bedroom houses in any areas, so theres none mate, everyone is wanting one and cant get one unless your willing to move to a junkie ridden bedsit or summit like that.

[Saltire]

So if Scotland gets its independence, that will all change? [in Scotland].

Well I hope so, then the rest of the world will see how wonderful the Scottish system works.....Utopia in Scotland............

All the alcoholics in glasgow will be cured?........................



ps.

been down and out, so know what its like.

BUT.....I aint now and I assure you I never will be again.

At least we will have the chance to be blamed for our own mistakes should the worst come to the worst rather than have it forced onto us from a government in another country !

[Saltire]

I think eventually we have all came to a conculsion here and thats that there is no council houses to move anyone into that even wish to downsize unless you wish to move into a bedsit with junkies robbing you in next room etc.

So we have agreed on something (I hope), now the way forward like I keep saying is stand firm and pay no extra bedroom tax at all and fill in your "DISCRETIONARY HOUSING PAYMENT (DHP) APPLICATION FORMs".

Just sit tight same as everyone else is doing and dont pay an extra penny, the government will Uturn on this bedroom tax, its gauranteed, its already costing the government millions and we are only a couple of months into it, sit tight, dont pay nomatter what, and thats it, there will be a Uturn coming soon.

I will eat Tulgeys hat if I'm proved wrong, LOL.

[Snowy79]

The sob stories about moving people that have lived in properties all their lives don't hold water when you look at what hapens when the Councils knock down old properties and provide the tenants with nice shiney new homes. Suddenly the memories turn into the thoughts of a new house.

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

The sob stories about moving people that have lived in properties all their lives don't hold water when you look at what hapens when the Councils knock down old properties and provide the tenants with nice shiney new homes. Suddenly the memories turn into the thoughts of a new house.

..........Its all about the AREA..........sometimes the only shiney bits are the needles lying around.

ps

I didnt realise that it was applying only to tennants who receive housing benefit.

I thought it was anyone in a council house that had extra bedrooms.

pps

How come an expletive is showing in the avatar of Snowy? "its a kitchen, get the **** back in it"

[Snowy79]

Happy to remove the Avatar if it offends anyone. To be honest I never paid too much attention to the wording.

It will only affect those receiving benefits as the rent isn't changing it's the amount it was being subsidised. If you already pay the rent from your wages it stays the same. If the council subsidise it all they are doing is giving each person an amount of money to cover what they are entitled to. One lot of money per room required. A single person will only need one bedroom so that's all the council will cover. If they live in a 2 bedroom house they have to find the money for the second bedroom.

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

Happy to remove the Avatar if it offends anyone. To be honest I never paid too much attention to the wording.

It will only affect those receiving benefits as the rent isn't changing it's the amount it was being subsidised. If you already pay the rent from your wages it stays the same. If the council subsidise it all they are doing is giving each person an amount of money to cover what they are entitled to. One lot of money per room required. A single person will only need one bedroom so that's all the council will cover. If they live in a 2 bedroom house they have to find the money for the second bedroom.

Well I cant see what the fuss is about then.
pay your rent, nobody bothers you, seemples

Before someone goes off on one about poor people starving etc.

I used to live in a court where 4 families shared 1 outside toilet.
I never had an inside toilet or bathroom until I was 15 .
I used to have my wellies cut down at the end of winter to use in the warm weather.
At an early age, I decided the poverty stricken life was not for me
So I managed to leave school, get an apprenticeship and then work my bollocks off until I got better off and better off and better off.
Now to be honest , I dont give 2 f***s about the poor who winge they cant pay this and that and how the benefits are shit....

If you are hard up,do something about it, instead of blaming the Government.

It seems a bit too easy..............

[cgscott]

Well I cant see what the fuss is about then.
pay your rent, nobody bothers you, seemples

Before someone goes off on one about poor people starving etc.

I used to live in a court where 4 families shared 1 outside toilet.
I never had an inside toilet or bathroom until I was 15 .
I used to have my wellies cut down at the end of winter to use in the warm weather.
At an early age, I decided the poverty stricken life was not for me
So I managed to leave school, get an apprenticeship and then work my bollocks off until I got better off and better off and better off.
Now to be honest , I dont give 2 f***s about the poor who winge they cant pay this and that and how the benefits are shit....

If you are hard up,do something about it, instead of blaming the Government.

It seems a bit too easy..............

That was some roundabout you were on there

Yes its only people on benefits its affecting of course it is.

Its only people on benefits who complain about being put out. The working people grumble a bit but end up paying because they can.

I think its a good idea. M family member stays in a 3 bed council house on benefit and wont budge but could easily swap into a 2 bed and let the person in the 2 bed that had 2 children of different sex have a room each.

Makes sense.

[Saltire]

This made my hair stand on end man, have a look at this guys >>> https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates

Imagine trying to pay any rent on any house with wages like that, that made me so sad when I seen that

[cgscott]

40 hours a week a minimum wage take home ?215.11

Rent for 1 bed flat from council ?75 a week

leaves you ?140.11

Gas and leccy ?30 a week leaves ya ?110.11

Council Tax ?25 leaves ya ?95

Food for 1 for week ?40 leaves ya ?55

bevvy on friday night ?20 leaves you ?35 for money for your sandwiches for work.

Who cant live on minimum wage?

Or do you mean you cant have cigarettes and ipad 2 and big flat screen telly and playstation 3 an xbox 360. If you do then your probably right because the people i know on the dole seem to be living a better life at time than me and i work my arse off.

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

This made my hair stand on end man, have a look at this guys >>> https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates

Imagine trying to pay any rent on any house with wages like that, that made me so sad when I seen that

The apprentice rates dont look too bad.
In 1963 as an apprentice panel beater I was getting ?1.12.6d [?1.62p] a week................45 hours [sat morning was not overtime]
That equates to less than 4 pence an hour...........my mode of transport was a bicycle.

A bag of chips was 4d.

so I earned the equivalent of a bag of chips an hour

Todays cost of a bag of chips isnt anywhere near the ?2.68 an hour for apprentices quoted in the link.

..."Youve never had it so good"