Bedroom tax, new thread !

[Saltire]

Tulgey LOL.

CG, that made me laugh my azz off mate, hehehehehehehee, what a life that would be working it out on your example there, .

Also CG, I hate going on about this mate as ive said it a million times, where are all these one bedroom council houses in a half decent area with nice neighbours etc ?

There are none mate, as I said before too, yes there is some (maybe) if you want to live with crazed junkies and the lowest of the low scum through the wall from you etc constantly keeping you up all night having druggie parties everynight and you cant get a sleep and end up not being able to go to work, . True though.

Then you leave the house and come back and you either get slashed or have had the house robbed or something.

As I said, there is no homes mate, I wish there was for all these people to move to that are desperate for one, but theres none !

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

I`m not going for tea in his house, you`ll get tiny portions !

[cgscott]

Tulgey LOL.

CG, that made me laugh my azz off mate, hehehehehehehee, what a life that would be working it out on your example there, .

Also CG, I hate going on about this mate as ive said it a million times, where are all these one bedroom council houses in a half decent area with nice neighbours etc ?

There are none mate, as I said before too, yes there is some (maybe) if you want to live with crazed junkies and the lowest of the low scum through the wall from you etc constantly keeping you up all night having druggie parties everynight and you cant get a sleep and end up not being able to go to work, . True though.

Then you leave the house and come back and you either get slashed or have had the house robbed or something.

As I said, there is no homes mate, I wish there was for all these people to move to that are desperate for one, but theres none !

I dont care who i live next to. Wouldnt take me long to kick a junkies head in and get rid of him as for the wee ned wanting to slash me id just put him out of his misery too.

Theres lots of 1 bedroom flats available just they are full of dingle mums with 1 kid who needs a 2 bedroom house but the single person in the 2 bed house doesnt want to leave beacuse he/she wants a spare room because they have lived there long enough to be entitled to say where they belong.

BTW as snowy pointed out its a COUNCIL house and belongs to them so if you cant stump up payment for extra room then move.

Simples.

[Saltire]

move where ? private let ? 6 month lease maybe 12 if your lucky and then your at the mercy of the landlord too, so it has to be a council house, I couldnt handle staying through the wall from thieving stinking junkies etc and the people in gangs waiting to slash you after you come home to find you house broke into etc, not for me and I doubt its what 99% of other people would want either even if it means they end up kicked out in the street for not paying this illegal bedroom tax that has not been carefully thought through with the Government who sit in england and control the whole of The UK.

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

move where ? private let ? 6 month lease maybe 12 if your lucky and then your at the mercy of the landlord too, so it has to be a council house, I couldnt handle staying through the wall from thieving stinking junkies etc and the people in gangs waiting to slash you after you come home to find you house broke into etc, not for me and I doubt its what 99% of other people would want either even if it means they end up kicked out in the street for not paying this illegal bedroom tax that has not been carefully thought through with the Government who sit in england and control the whole of The UK.

you do go on a bit about the English Government mate.

Could it not just be the fault of the people living in the council house that they didnt get off there arse and earn some dosh?

[Saltire]

you do go on a bit about the English Government mate.

Could it not just be the fault of the people living in the council house that they didnt get off there arse and earn some dosh?

what if they are ill and cant, and yes I do go on about the english government because Scotland is being ruled with another country and they have been for hundreds of years, when I quizzed all my english friends etc on same subject they said theres no way they would accept a government sitting in scotland and controlling england, so.............know what I mean ?

Anyway, thats going off the beaten track a bit again

[cgscott]

Could it not just be the fault of the people living in the council house that they didnt get off there arse and earn some dosh?

My point exactly.

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

what if they are ill and cant, and yes I do go on about the english government because Scotland is being ruled with another country and they have been for hundreds of years, when I quizzed all my english friends etc on same subject they said theres no way they would accept a government sitting in scotland and controlling england, so.............know what I mean ?

Anyway, thats going off the beaten track a bit again

oh you mean like Brussels ?

[alec]

I would like some feedback on how people feel about the bedroom tax and ONLY the bedroom tax, I notice the other threads tend to drift from one thing to another, but I wish to keep this to the bedroom tax ONLY !

Please tell anything you want, your problems, the amount of money its going to cost you, how many rooms etc, only if you want to that is.

I am gathering evidence and this would be handy as I will and am taking my council to court by doing it the proper way.

I.E - keeping the money aside until it is needed if my case fails, if it does then I dont care, but its worth a try.

The money will be there to cover it and the court fee's will be sorted too.

The more info I have the better, I know there is many protests going to happen thats already well known, but I need to know more about the legal in's and out's. Thats all.

If your just going to post silly posts please dont, I say that with respect.

I have a couple of properties but this is a rented one with 1 spare room I refer to and they want ?50 per month just for that, even though the room is a gym and not a bedroom, but that doesnt matter, I know all the stuff about this but want the publics feeling on this and anything else they can add.

Thank you for your time if you wish to comment.

It is not a tax, it is what it is, a reduction in benefits paid if you live in a rented house that has more bedrooms that are used; caused by Blair letting in Millions of people, and useless Labour not building even enough for the indigenous population, so there is a serious housing shortage.

[thered]

My point exactly.

Sums Britain up always somebody elses fault, its the banks the politicians whoever

Maybe


but everyone seems to forget that the reason we are skint is that many never bothered to pay the loans back, then blamed the banks for giving it to them.

interest rates are now almost zero to stop people losing homes, we have thousands of thick people on interest only mortgages cos it was cheaper, not thinking that it needs paying one day

Suppose its the governments fault even though we have free schools that we have a country that in general is pretty dumb, and are happy to take as much money as possible with little idea or care on how it will be paid back

Bedroom tax may effect a few genuine people but for the majority who didnt buy there homes or are not pensioners, are only losing benefit

A worker pays full rent, why should anyone on jobseekers not contribute??

A worker will find work soon enough the people who seem to do the most moaning are the people who want a free ride permanently it seems

[thered]

move where ? private let ? 6 month lease maybe 12 if your lucky and then your at the mercy of the landlord too, so it has to be a council house, I couldnt handle staying through the wall from thieving stinking junkies etc and the people in gangs waiting to slash you after you come home to find you house broke into etc, not for me and I doubt its what 99% of other people would want either even if it means they end up kicked out in the street for not paying this illegal bedroom tax that has not been carefully thought through with the Government who sit in england and control the whole of The UK.

pay the tax or be slashed up by junkies

your really clutching at straws

6 month lease 12 if your lucky ffs

yes like landlords want rid of tennants, sounds plausible, im sick of your rent stick it

yes 6 month leases are common especially for new tennants

but its more to make sure they are not some scruffy little toe rags who will smash the house up and actually pay the rent

what if they are ill and cant, (

They will get esa which is about ?30 a week more than jsa so it should be no problem

[GastonJ]

It is not a tax, it is what it is, a reduction in benefits paid if you live in a rented house that has more bedrooms that are used; caused by Blair letting in Millions of people, and useless Labour not building even enough for the indigenous population, so there is a serious housing shortage.

I didn't realise Blair was prime minister just after the war when the UK welcomed immigrants with (more or less in some cases) open arms to help us rebuild the country and after a good deal of them fought in the war to help win that war. But then again memory isn't something most people are good at and just jump on the blame bandwagon 'cos it's popular. One of the problems being faced is there isn't enough of the right type of accommodation available for people to move into, I seem to recall Maggie (got her in this one in the end) made it so council house tenants had the right to buy at discount, then made it so the councils couldn't build more homes with the money they made form the sales. As for freedom of movement and work that was signed up for in 1974.

Council Directive 68/360/EEC of 15 October 1968 on the abolition of restrictions on movement and residence within the Community for workers of Member States and their families [Official Journal L 257 of 19.10.1968].

So you can blame every prime minister and every party since then, knowing they all know it was already in the treaty and none have tried to get out of it, until it suits them now to blame everyone but themselves. It's not that I disagree with the removal of a portion of the benefits, it's the short notice that was given with no provision, that I know of, for a transition while suitable accommodation was available. BTW I own my own house and have never claimed sh*t in my life, so it doesn't affect me anyway, other than making my tax bill higher - but the government will lower that before the next election with money that we pay for buying the shares in Lloyds that we have already paid for, but we'll buy them again. As for blaming immigrants right wing tactics used to stir up racial tension and deflect from failed domestic policies. Keeps the happy.

Sorry to quote this utter knobhead, but he was also good at deflecting blame for his failed policies as well.

All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.

How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Feel free to remove them if it doesn't suit.

[Saltire]

I wont mention any names here out of the users I speak of as that is just not on in my book, freedom of speech and all that stuff.

BUT............Some of you must live in a fantasy world, either that or every single one of your family and friends all own thier own homes and this doesnt effect them, because believe me, It is full on, Ive been at demo's/protests/marches etc about this stupid bedroom tax and also now about the poor people that are deemed fit to work that are very obviously not fit to work, they are taking thier own lifes in various ways and means etc, dont you watch or read the news ?

This is a total shambles of a country and I am disgraced to be part of the so called "Great Britain", would probably be better off going and living in a tip in India or somewhere like that (no disrespect to India or indians by the way but we mostly know that some countries like this are very unsanitized and unhealthy in certain parts, I know you know what I mean ).

But if all you people who think its so easy to simply be ill and have only job seekers allowance and cant even make it to the job centre because of your illness and Live easily and a great lifestyle etc, think again, put it to the test, write down how much penny for penny it would cost you to heat your home in middle of winter (gas and electric), your going to be paying at least ?100 per month depending on how good the tip is your living in, then start to deduct all the money penny by penny for everything, toilet paper, to food and travel and so on and on, I bet you any money you want that you will always be in negative equity if you would like to call it that just for talking sake even though we usually only normally use that phrase when buying goods/cars/house etc, not renting a house from council.

You must live in a fantasy world right enough, and please note as I said, I dont direct these comments to any one person, its freedom of speech if we'r still allowed that, .

p.s
please please please, I have like 100 people all wanting a half decent 1 bedroom council house in a half decent area with half decent neighbours, not junkies partying all night every night, or gangs on your doorstep everyday and needles laying all over the place and all that, Please tell me where to get these houses, as many houses as you can please as I have loads of people all desperately waiting on one and the council has already told them "there are none" !, so tell me where they are, and remember to work out your calculations too properly like I suggested a few lines back and tell me that you still have money at the end of the week to go out and buy a chicken or a pair of trousers for an interview (if you were in able health to work that is in the first place).

Could it simply be that maybe you all live in purchased properties and thats the reason why you come across as basically having a laugh at these poor people, maybe , maybe not, I dont know ? But I have heard a few people mention that before and that sickens me because you never ever know what is round the corner in your life, and thats why I never ever treat any person any different from another should they be loaded or skint !

[Saltire]

the people who seem to do the most moaning are the people who want a free ride permanently it seems

No chance can I ever dream of agreeing with that mate, how can you say that unless you know ?

Read the papers, watch the news, watch politics etc, people are commiting suicide as we speak because some are so ill or stressed with this whole thing thats not been thought through properly with the government that they would rather die, is this "Great Britain" or is this a hell hole we are living in or do people not grasp onto what is actually going on here, the government want all the people dead, Its been said for a long long time now that is thier plans, for years infact, and they are going the correct way about it, I dont know why, because all that is happening is that good british people are dying because of this and in comes all the immigrants willyNilly to fill thier places because again the government has not done things correct again, not just this government, them all, They need a 1000ft electric fence all the way round the UK and border patrols searching every single boat, airoplane and car that comes in, that will create a lot of jobs too for all of you that are in great need of a job, seems to sound like a crazy idea and crazy thoughts, but think about it, its already started to happen, people are killing themselves, FACT !

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

I think you must accept that some people have managed their finances by controlling their spending!

Others, however, have spent a lifetime wasting money......fact, not fiction.

For every person I can think of who has control of the financial situation in their life, I can think of 5 who are out of control.

The reason most of the time actually is not failing Governments past or present, but lack of personal financial control.

To quote that wonderful actress..." Am I bovered? Do i look bovered?"