Bedroom tax, new thread !

[thered]

No chance can I ever dream of agreeing with that mate, how can you say that unless you know ?

Read the papers, watch the news, watch politics etc, people are commiting suicide as we speak because some are so ill or stressed with this whole thing thats not been thought through properly with the government that they would rather die, is this "Great Britain" or is this a hell hole we are living in or do people not grasp onto what is actually going on here, the government want all the people dead, Its been said for a long long time now that is thier plans, for years infact, and they are going the correct way about it, I dont know why, because all that is happening is that good british people are dying because of this and in comes all the immigrants willyNilly to fill thier places because again the government has not done things correct again, not just this government, them all, They need a 1000ft electric fence all the way round the UK and border patrols searching every single boat, airoplane and car that comes in, that will create a lot of jobs too for all of you that are in great need of a job, seems to sound like a crazy idea and crazy thoughts, but think about it, its already started to happen, people are killing themselves, FACT !

I thought immigrants were here because lazy Brits dont want to work. They do the crap jobs that bedroom tax dodgers dont want

As for everyone committing suicide where?? i found one news article

I know 5 people who have commited suicide all before bedroom tax came in i know of none since its arrival

Seriously instead of marching tell them to get to work, that will get rid of immigrants and stop there benefit being cut.

Other than that MOVE to a country that will give you everything you need on benefit


What do you suggest? Workers pay 30% tax Millionaires pay 80% just to give more benefits?


Seriously you cannot help people who dont help themselves and every single person i know who says they cant get a job or is too ill to work is talking pure BS, my estate is full of them, they walk round the estate with bottles of white lightning and smoke green everyday then complain they dont have enough money to put the gas on

[cgscott]

As you stated earlier red. If someone truly wants to work they will find work. Even if it is shoit wages.

I worked for ?40 a day last year to get my business off the ground. Now im subcontracting out jobs because im that busy.

I was sitting in the house feeling sorry for myself getting knock bk from every application i put in for a job. A good kick up the arse and a few knocks on peoples doors and was soon earning again.

I was on the dole for 6 months and do know how hard it is to live off the benefits provided but i didnt moan about it. I went and done something about it.

[thered]

As you stated earlier red. If someone truly wants to work they will find work. Even if it is shoit wages.

I worked for ?40 a day last year to get my business off the ground. Now im subcontracting out jobs because im that busy.

I was sitting in the house feeling sorry for myself getting knock bk from every application i put in for a job. A god kick up the arse and a few knocks on peoples doors and was soon earning again.

I was on the dole for 6 months and do know how hard it is to live off the benefits provided but i didnt moan about it. went and done something about it.

There is always ways to make money if your motivated m8, even if its car washing, window cleaning or gardening ( some people have actually found that washing cars ended up being very lucrative)

Well done btw for making a go too many lazy people dont bother, who seem to be the ones that complain

Im on esa and dont get any rent paid at all

Winds me up all these people moaning about what they see as god given rights to claim money off taxpayers.

Should think themselves lucky free schools, free gp's, free hospitals, free money the only people who dont seem to whinge is the actual working tax payer who pays for it all

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

Surely any numpty with half a brain can go to the tip/skip/boot sale/jumble sale.....acquire goods, then flog em on ebay at a small profit.

[tornado]

Where this is wrong is when someone that has lost there job paid tax and dont get much help and the ones that dont want to work or never have no all the rules and how to play the game, thats why i would like to see a higher amount if u have worked and a low one if u have not and make the ones that have not worked do some thing but not the work programme as that is a con.The thing i really hate is someone near me has never had a job not one days work because he has a bad back now he lives in a 3 bedroom with a drive way and a garage his back is so bad he can cut his own grass walk to tescos and back carrying bags off shopping which is just over a mile away.

[cgscott]

The thing i really hate is someone near me has never had a job not one days work because he has a bad back now he lives in a 3 bedroom with a drive way and a garage his back is so bad he can cut his own grass walk to tescos and back carrying bags off shopping which is just over a mile away.

Bet he still moans because he cant afford a taxi.

[thered]

Where this is wrong is when someone that has lost there job paid tax and dont get much help and the ones that dont want to work or never have no all the rules and how to play the game, thats why i would like to see a higher amount if u have worked and a low one if u have not and make the ones that have not worked do some thing but not the work programme as that is a con.The thing i really hate is someone near me has never had a job not one days work because he has a bad back now he lives in a 3 bedroom with a drive way and a garage his back is so bad he can cut his own grass walk to tescos and back carrying bags off shopping which is just over a mile away.

I agree with that it should be some form of contributions based JSA which gives a higher amount for a specific time

BTW mental health is now the new bad back, i cant work me heads mashed i cant go out. Well i can to get me green and me methadone and me cans but anything else me brains frazzled

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

I agree with that it should be some form of contributions based JSA which gives a higher amount for a specific time

BTW mental health is now the new bad back, i cant work me heads mashed i cant go out. Well i can to get me green and me methadone and me cans but anything else me brains frazzled

and of course the plus point is if you are sectioned under the mental health act, then nursing care is free, the kids dont see the inheritance sold off to pay for nursing care.

[thered]

TRUE STORY

From a few weeks ago about 2pm

22 year old in our street with 4 kids said her grandad was dying didnt have long left

"aww are you going to see him"

"No i cant be arsed to get dressed and i have nobody to mind kids"

What about your boyfriend

"Naa he is still in bed and he wont mind em all"

I said you should try and make the effort, she said she might go another day

He died next day, she never went

4 kids they never worked a day in their lives, dad who cant get out of bed to mind his own kids, and a lass who cant even be arsed to get dressed to see a dying man


This is normal on my estate especially with the under 40's which is why i have no sympathy for any of them


Now does this girl deserve a 4 bedroom council home for life for free when kids leave?? Of course not

should it then be given to someone who needs it? Yes

If she wants to keep it should she be charged ? Yes

Simple it makes sense

[GastonJ]

This is normal on my estate especially with the under 40's which is why i have no sympathy for any of them

You need to seriously think about moving, you're probably keeping the average working and intelligence of your estates population artificially high m8. However as and when new 1 bedroomed estates get built they'll all be piled high in there anyway. Be much easier to build open prisons and dual use the cells

[flyingpig]

Anyone who is on the dole doesn't have lots of money, and they, in all cases with JSA alone would really struggle to pay rent, gas, elec, water, tv and food and cloth themselves. However, that being said, if you did get enough money on the dole from JSA (or whatever its called / acronym) I would not work. I would not subject myself at getting up at 6 in the morning to get ready for work, then work a minumum of 8 hours a day of hard stressful work, then come home at 5.30 to help the wife (who also works) clean, cook, and prepare for the next day.

If I could get enough off the dole, my wife and I would do it. You can't so we choose (yes it is a choice) to work. I use the term choose, becuase if you are out of work, and you want to work, you will find work. It may take some time and there will be rejection, but something will come along.

The welfare reforms are designed to make it better to work. It is wrong that people who are on benefits can be better off than a couple who choose to work. That is wrong. One family is contributing to our welfare state, and the other is a drain. If you are in receipt of benefits, it should be hard. it should make you want to get up and get a job, it should make you think about your future.

It is the only thing that this government has got right, and I am a staunch socialist!! Let the social state recover in favour of the working man / woman. Not the dosser, or the filthy rich!!

[GastonJ]

It is the only thing that this government has got right, and I am a staunch socialist!! Let the social state recover in favour of the working man / woman. Not the dosser, or the filthy rich!!

However I don't see the "filthy rich" paying for anything so far, tbh far from it.

[thered]

You need to seriously think about moving, you're probably keeping the average working and intelligence of your estates population artificially high m8. However as and when new 1 bedroomed estates get built they'll all be piled high in there anyway. Be much easier to build open prisons and dual use the cells

If i could afford a move i would but my mortgage is peanuts to the average one

Btw dont know about prisons dont they cost about ?500 per week for each inmate cheaper to pay the mortgages

Dont know how the arrive at that amount, porridge is reasonably cheap

[thered]

However I don't see the "filthy rich" paying for anything so far, tbh far from it.

Fair point they do tend to play hide and seek with their dosh, but i reckon most pay a lot more than your average dosser be it in whichever taxable form they can get it


More needs to be done btw with tax fiddlers, companies should be banned from trading in UK unless there UK gained profits are taxed here, businessmen and companies who trade here need to be taxed here

But it isnt just the super rich either many self employed people pay little if anything tax

Its the people on PAYE who cant dodge it

[GastonJ]

If i could afford a move i would but my mortgage is peanuts to the average one

Btw dont know about prisons dont they cost about ?500 per week for each inmate cheaper to pay the mortgages

Dont know how the arrive at that amount, porridge is reasonably cheap

TBH the prisoners should only get bread and water unless they're prepared to pay for it themselves. It would also be a deterrent against being a bagrat and going to prison to getting a bedroom for free. But that's a good point, we're paying ?500 a week to keep thieving basseds in prison yet can't pay for decent people to live outside of prison..... I've gone off the while subject really, since I have no more to say on the partial removal of benefit.

If IDS gets his way under 25's will be forced to stay at home anyway, whether they're at risk of abuse or worse - when then one comes it this thread will seem small by comparison