Bedroom tax, new thread !

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

there is nowt wrong with being filthy rich............................................

My son pays ?800 a week income tax !

I wonder what it gets spent on ?

[GastonJ]

there is nowt wrong with being filthy rich............................................

My son pays ?800 a week income tax !

I wonder what it gets spent on ?

When's he going to start paying a real tax bill?

[Saltire]

Guys, your going a bit off topic "again" man.

I would like to add that I am totally against anyone at all screwing the system, running around in brand new DLA cars etc when they are clearly fit as a fiddle, gone are the days that most people would say "ahh, thats good that george down the road is screwing the system good and well etc", those days are long gone now.

Thankfully for me I dont need to rely on any benefits at all and have to say I pay a fortune in taxes etc, but thats ok, I dont mind, so did my mother and father and the rest of my family thier whole lifes too, now though we are in a position where we can actually employ other people and help them I'm glad to say.

I just will never except the fact of what I have seen with my own eyes and this all reverts back to the Government totally killing off the poorest of the poor people who desperately need lots of forms of help in different ways and means ! (and the bedroom tax).

Sure, I have also seen all the scroungers like some of you mention too walking about drinking in the street and have no intention of working or cant get motivated, but we cant just let these people be like this, these people also need help to get back on track, they cant simply be dumpped on the fire and burned like a lot of people would probably like, at end of the day, as I mentioned earlier, none of us ever know from day to day what will or could happen to us, one day you could own your own buisness and next you could be in a car crash and end up paralysed from the neck down etc, you never know and its because of my positive way of thinking about all these scenarios that I want to help all these people in any way I can.

I cant watch desperate people in need of help just basically die like the government want anyway, I cant watch that happen, maybe some of you guys can, I cant and thats why I am helping people that need the help just now with the help of a friend who is an MSP and one thats a councillor/lawyer too, If I can help one person I am happy, if I cant then that makes me sad.

I cant remember 100%, did someone say to me goto another country if I dont like it ? I'm sorry if they meant people in general and not me exactly, I cant be bothered reading back as I am in a hurry helping other people, or trying to I should say, but if that was directed at me, I could leave and go back and stay In California with the rest of my family like I have done many times over the years, to be honest, apart from Loving Scotland, I couldnt stand the heat in the California Valley/desert land where my family live, think its called getting old, , I prefer the nice cold weather and beauty of Scotland too much nowdays, but yes, I could easily do that any time I want, not a problem at all.

Another bedroom tax demo/march is coming up again very soon up here and guess who'll be in the front lines of that march as usual, yes me, you guys would have seen me on the news before but obviously not as you dont know what I look like and I'm not about to tell you either, ive also been on the BBC news on TV campaining with One of the Leaders of a Certain Political party, Him and his right hand person, again, I wont mention names, this is how deep I am into all this to help people.

[cgscott]

**** me a local MP's mate who needs to gets free Sly? Your mate getting at as well. Does he file it as expenses.

OFF TOPIC as MH would say, Everyone on a benefits thinks that when these changes are made they are a victim to society.

Try working and paying taxes. I could easily have 5 kids and say i have a bad back and that im too ill to look after myself that i need a carer but why would I?

Because i want my children to be proud of me as a person. Most of the Junkies and Wee guys that slash people you refer to earlier in the thread have never had parents like that.

ON TOPIC: If you cant afford the extra room tax then move on to the place the council offer you. Regardless of where it is.

Either that or go get a job and earn to pay for the privilege.

[Saltire]

**** me a local MP's mate who needs to gets free Sly? Your mate getting at as well. Does he file it as expenses.

OFF TOPIC as MH would say, Everyone on a benefits thinks that when these changes are made they are a victim to society.

Try working and paying taxes. I could easily have 5 kids and say i have a bad back and that im too ill to look after myself that i need a carer but why would I?

Because i want my children to be proud of me as a person. Most of the Junkies and Wee guys that slash people you refer to earlier in the thread have never had parents like that.

ON TOPIC: If you cant afford the extra room tax then move on to the place the council offer you. Regardless of where it is.

Either that or go get a job and earn to pay for the privilege.

CG, I have mentioned to you before that the people I refer to are in no position that they can work mate, simple as that, but as well as being asked to pay 14% of thier rent if they have only one spare room or 25% if they have more rooms, into the bargain now the government are also stopping thousands and thousands of disabled people benefits too and deeming them fit to work when they are obviously not, even stevie wonder can see that, I have seen it too, its rediculous, so how do these people live letalone pay extra money for just one extra room etc ? Sorry I keep repeating the same answer but the same point keeps getting put across to me so I need to answer it the same way.

p.s
whos the local MP's mate that gets free sly ? How do you get it, how is that done ? (I dont understand what you mean as I dont even have a sat dish).... I thought I read in the rules in the forum that these things shouldnt be spoke about, maybe I'm wrong, I dunno, infact maybe all the MP's are all sitting with free tv, they probably are as they screw the system far more than the average joe blogs down the road, , true though isnt it ? Anyway, thats way off topic and just garbage I am talking there, so please delete this line if admin or mod see's it incorrect in being here please, cheers.

p.p.s
CG, I meant to add, like Ive answered before too, ive tried to help people downsize house into a 1 bedroom council house, there are none mate, they dont just magic them up from thin air, most of council house properties all over the uk are not 1 bedroom and if they are they are snapped up in 2 seconds flat, sometimes even in the worst junkie land you can imagine too, thing is though, would you move your son or daughter that are say for instance 19 years old, would you move them into such a dangerous property, no, ofcourse you wouldnt, its all just madness mate and the recent reports from the government say themselves that they dont even know what they are doing, they also say they dont know what benefits they should try and fiddle with or stop etc and they only have I think a couple of months left to make all the correct decisions, thats the reason whY you wont have seen anyone anywhere in the UK evicted for non payment of bedroom tax, thats because the government have admitted that they dont know yet what they are doing and they are looking on to see how the public respond, its been on the news mate.

Thats why I urge every single person not to pay a penny towards this bedroom tax as the government are sitting desperatley waiting and hoping people do, it wont happen though as people cant afford it, its not rocket science.

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

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14% of the rent,surely its simply a reduction of a benefit received?

Do you financially help this cause ?

You are a well off employer of people...........make some more jobs, give money away to these suicidal masses ........

You talk rather like a friend of mine who is a member of the Church of the Latter Day Saints.

[Saltire]

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14% of the rent,surely its simply a reduction of a benefit received?

Do you financially help this cause ?

You are a well off employer of people...........make some more jobs, give money away to these suicidal masses ........

You talk rather like a friend of mine who is a member of the Church of the Latter Day Saints.

whatever way you look at it mate its 14% or 25% of the household council rent if you have one or more bedrooms spare, I have personally tried to subsidize some folks with help but this cant go on, I have informed them clearly of the help you can sometimes get from nearly all councils by applying for and filling in a "DISCRETIONARY HOUSING PAYMENT (DHP) APPLICATION FORM", but right now nothing is gauranteed, there is most likely a better gaurantee of the government doing that Uturn I keep speaking about as this has already cost them millions of pounds so far and its only a couple of months into it, but if I can help another human being in any way then I will, but as I say, there is a limit man.

Anyway, will be back bit later, have to make sure some people turn up for work etc, or else they will end up paying the bedroom tax too, I will be back soon though, taxi is called and I'm just waiting. cya after.

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

Anyway, will be back bit later, have to make sure some people turn up for work etc, or else they will end up paying the bedroom tax too, I will be back soon though, taxi is called and I'm just waiting. cya after.

yes, keep the wheels of Scottish Industry turning........................................... .................................

[Snowy79]

I wish people would spend more time trying to encourage people to share accommodation than trying to get everyone to refuse to pay it. This way all of society will be helped. Something has to be done not just to benefits but to society and sometimes it's the tough medicine that works best. Having an extra rug rat shouldn't equate to getting another bedroom or extra benefits as all that will happen as we can see is some will breed just to get a better house. If you don't have enough space to live in don't bring someone else into the World. If you do, tough, you share a room with him/her until they leave home. Eventually they'll realise its not worth having more kids and those kids growing up in this lifestyle will also be put off as they will know there's no benefit only discomfort. The money saved could then be used on those that deserve it. Where is the government going to get the money to pay for the real disabled if they lose out on money due to subsidising those that aren't prepared to help themselves ?

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

I wish people would spend more time trying to encourage people to share accommodation than trying to get everyone to refuse to pay it. This way all of society will be helped. Something has to be done not just to benefits but to society and sometimes it's the tough medicine that works best. Having an extra rug rat shouldn't equate to getting another bedroom or extra benefits as all that will happen as we can see is some will breed just to get a better house. If you don't have enough space to live in don't bring someone else into the World. If you do, tough, you share a room with him/her until they leave home. Eventually they'll realise its not worth having more kids and those kids growing up in this lifestyle will also be put off as they will know there's no benefit only discomfort. The money saved could then be used on those that deserve it. Where is the government going to get the money to pay for the real disabled if they lose out on money due to subsidising those that aren't prepared to help themselves ?

well, shall i get some down and outs to come and stay in the guest suite on the boat then?

[thered]

You talk rather like a friend of mine who is a member of the Church of the Latter Day Saints.

St Saltire patron saint of welfare

CG, I have mentioned to you before that the people I refer to are in no position that they can work mate, simple as that, but as well as being asked to pay 14% of thier rent if they have only one spare room or 25% if they have more rooms, into the bargain now the government are also stopping thousands and thousands of disabled people benefits too and deeming them fit to work when they are obviously not, even stevie wonder can see that, I have seen it too, its rediculous, so how do these people live letalone pay extra money for just one extra room etc ? Sorry I keep repeating the same answer but the same point keeps getting put across to me so I need to answer it the same way.

p.s
whos the local MP's mate that gets free sly ? How do you get it, how is that done ? (I dont understand what you mean as I dont even have a sat dish).... I thought I read in the rules in the forum that these things shouldnt be spoke about, maybe I'm wrong, I dunno, infact maybe all the MP's are all sitting with free tv, they probably are as they screw the system far more than the average joe blogs down the road, , true though isnt it ? Anyway, thats way off topic and just garbage I am talking there, so please delete this line if admin or mod see's it incorrect in being here please, cheers.

Good on you if you think your fighting a worthy cause

Personally i think its just a wee tad deluded and yes they may declare an odd few fit for work who are incapable but the vast majority are ok and always have been ,benefits have become a way of life for many

There has to be rules to weed out people and tbh the rules are not stern enough, too many people know how to play it and stay on sick and keep cars, the innocent few who are actually ill and fail do so just because of lack of knowledge in how it works and not writing things down correctly

The problem you have though is what you class as disabled, if i have no legs does it mean i cant do anything??

Some people will try to get on, some will say thats it i cant do a thing

Paralympics tell us that even severely disabled can do a large number of tasks, so lets not pretend because it suits that the government are wrongly saying everyone is fit. Its a gross exaggeration


BTW salt i think cg meant that it sounds a bit rich with your business and Councillor chums coming on a site that started by scamming free cable tv, its now primarily a site for free garage programs

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

The problem you have though is what you class as disabled, if i have no legs does it mean i cant do anything??


I had a cousin who parachuted into Arnhem, into a minefield, blew his leg off.
After the war he was never out of work.

Mind you, what are the Government thinking, closing down Remploy factories?

Saltire, get on to that one as well.

[Snowy79]

Demonstrating to keep people reliant on benefits is like feeding starving Africans so they can breed then their young die. Sure it'll give you a warm feeling thinking you've helped someone out but long term others will suffer. Give them an incentive not to be on benefits is the only real help you can give someone. It's becoming the norm now for some to say it's not worth working as their better off on the dole. There's got to be something wrong when taking into account all benefits someone not working is better off than someone who pays their way. It's not just a case of raising their wages either as all that will happen is inflation will increase and prices will rise so they'll be no better off.

[flyingpig]

tried to subsidize some folks with help but this cant go on, I have informed them clearly of the help you can sometimes get from nearly all councils by applying for and filling in a "DISCRETIONARY HOUSING PAYMENT (DHP) .

Isnt that exactly the same thing as what was said in the governement chamber were they decided that they couldnt subsidise those who choose not to work? It simple can't go on. So why should taxpayers subsidise them if you cant......???

[flyingpig]

There are lots of disable people who work - you are spot on.... Being disabled does not mean you cannot work. It means you may not be able to do certain activities. One of my team is registered disabled.