Tottenham in flames as riot follows protest

**leotheloin** · 9 August, 2011, 18:21

Originally posted by shadyback

~~~~ing idiots. mentally unstable bloke fires at police, they fire back, he dies.

Seems you jumped the gun,, mentally unstable bloke must have been a police man cos the guy in the car never fired a bullet at anyone at the scene

**Shady** · 9 August, 2011, 18:37

did he not? so HOW was their a bullet in the policemans radio, the radio that took the hit, saving his life?

**C64** · 9 August, 2011, 18:41

Originally posted by shadyback

did he not? so HOW was their a bullet in the policemans radio, the radio that took the hit, saving his life?

About an hour ago the IPCC said there was no evidence that Mark Duggan had fired his weapon. 1 officer fired two shots, one killed Duggan and the other hit his arm, passed through it and ended up in the radio of the other officer.

The bullet found in the Police radio was Police issue and was fired from a Police issue gun - the same gun that killed Duggan.

**Shady** · 9 August, 2011, 18:45

ah well, it seemed i jumped the gun... A BIT. he did however have a gun, and the police were well with their rights to shoot him.

**Lyrrad** · 9 August, 2011, 18:56

Originally posted by shadyback

ah well, it seemed i jumped the gun... A BIT. he did however have a gun, and the police were well with their rights to shoot him.

He did have a gun, that cannot be denied, but that shouldn't cost you your life. It seems there is no evidence that this guy shot at the police at all.
The gun was BBM bruni self loading pistol and is not a replica, it's a prohibited weapon and illegal, the handgun had a bullet in chamber and seems not to be have fired.

I know that the exact area where he was killed had been under police surveillance for over 36 hours prior to the shooting. It seems the police were looking for him, it wasn't a chance meet

**caveman_nige** · 9 August, 2011, 19:00

if you carry a gun on the streets of the UK you should expect the consequences, if that means its your life then thats the chances you take. Why carry one unless you intend to intimidate or cause harm or death with it.

**Lyrrad** · 9 August, 2011, 19:10

Originally posted by caveman_nige

if you carry a gun on the streets of the UK you should expect the consequences, if that means its your life then thats the chances you take. Why carry one unless you intend to intimidate or cause harm or death with it.

I've no problem with that sentiment, but I just think it would have been better if it were possible to arrest this guy rather than kill him provided it did not put any policeman's life at risk. We don't have shoot to kill policy at the moment. The CO19, British Firearms unit are highly trained for these exact situations. At the moment unconfirmed reports are that the CO19 state they shot because a member's life was threatened. That needs to be confirmed.

The real issue here is did CO19 feel intimidated, felt they were about to be harmed, or feel they were about to lose a life. If so waste him.

**z786** · 9 August, 2011, 19:10

live by the gun...........

**super jumbe** · 9 August, 2011, 19:33

A marksman is capable to shot a man in hands or legs at will.

Those police officers they are marksman, they shot the man in the heart, does that mean they were not shooting to kill.

We should all have to look at the respect we give to our police officers, just imagine if any of those killers intended to kill the police officers they do not have to wait for marksman to exchange the bullets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This was a planning of the operation to kill just admit IPCC.

When our Govt is going to change the law not to shot to kill.

UK riots could cost taxpayer well over ?100m????..

What lesson we are going to learn from this.

**jcgrumbles** · 9 August, 2011, 19:33

Originally posted by caveman_nige

if you carry a gun on the streets of the UK you should expect the consequences, if that means its your life then thats the chances you take. Why carry one unless you intend to intimidate or cause harm or death with it.

I agree,if hes ended up dead then thats one less to keep in prison

**griff** · 9 August, 2011, 19:48

Originally posted by super jumbe

A marksman is capable to shot a man in hands or legs at will.

Those police officers they are marksman, they shot the man in the heart, does that mean they were not shooting to kill.

We should all have to look at the respect we give to our police officers, just imagine if any of those killers intended to kill the police officers they do not have to wait for marksman to exchange the bullets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This was a planning of the operation to kill just admit IPCC.

When our Govt is going to change the law not to shot to kill.

UK riots could cost taxpayer well over ?100m***133;***133;***133;***133;..

What lesson we are going to learn from this.

The lesson is don't carry guns !

**andy91** · 9 August, 2011, 19:52

I dont think we would have half of this trouble if Facebook or Twitter wasnt invented,and i think the media glamourise things and make it look alot worse than it is.

Andy.

**Snowy79** · 9 August, 2011, 20:10

About time the Police fired first. I get pissed off reading the rules of engagement. Having spent 24 years in the Armed Forces and having been put in positions where you're up against armed enemy you'd cringe if you read the rules. The enemy can empty a magazine of rounds at you but if he turns his back or drops the weapon you can't return fire. Bollocks to that. If you're carrying a gun you're open season in my books.

As for shootng the gun out of his hand etc. Thats for Holywood.

**Lyrrad** · 9 August, 2011, 20:20

Originally posted by Snowy79

About time the Police fired first. I get pissed off reading the rules of engagement. Having spent 24 years in the Armed Forces and having been put in positions where you're up against armed enemy you'd cringe if you read the rules. The enemy can empty a magazine of rounds at you but if he turns his back or drops the weapon you can't return fire. Bollocks to that. If you're carrying a gun you're open season in my books.

As for shootng the gun out of his hand etc. Thats for Holywood.

If the guy pulled a gun on armed cops then yes I don't think its unreasonable to accept that his death was pretty much on the cards. However if the cops just knew he was armed it's a very different thing. At the moment we just don't know the circumstances.

I've heard that the rules of engagement for Brit forces in Afghan in the very early days were just bizzare, surely it's different now

**thered** · 9 August, 2011, 20:23

dont see the issue meself whther or not he fired the gun or not he shouldnt be going around with the ~~~~er

and too anyone sticking up for him why did he have the gun??

has he used it before?? he may well have shot people ??

play with fire get burnt simple he deserves what he got now they should shoot the reast of the thieving scumbags tonight

i am sick to death of these nob heads on the news making excuses about them being out of touch and society doesnt care and the youth club is shut down who gives a ~~~~

i was born on a council estate i still live on a council estate i wasted my life and could have done better i had schooling and could have went to college but chose not too

its not societies fault i didnt stick to anything it is my own and i may not be hanging with the social elite but i dont hold a grudge about anything we all get the oppurtunities to education and university if you put the effort in the rewards are there for everyone

this constant poor me 24/7 does my napper in

our grandparents were in wars and had ~~~ all both my grandparents came from the slums and they had nowt they didnt have tv's ipods xboxes fast food takeaways and ~~~~in nike hoodies they had ~~~ alll

did they go out robbing and bashing people up the truth is kids have never had it so good

if it were kicking off again tonight id operate a shoot on site policy with live ammo id curfew the streets after 8pm and anyone walking about is fair game

Tottenham in flames as riot follows protest

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