can money make you a big club?? .i.e Man City?

[janobi]

Because i beleave they haven't they have won 12 EPL titles and your saying they bought the league i would say they did it through keeping the same manager which brings in stablity, and then stablity brings in a togetherness with in the team and thats what brings in the constant waves of trophies?? what do you think to that?? also you said Arsenal also bought the league!! don't think so

I agree that manager stability helps, but money is the biggest factor. Arsenal spent big to win the league, as have all the other teams that have won the league. So yes, technically you do buy the league.

You will never accept that Man Utd bought the league, as your a Manc fan, so have a more biased opinion. Clearly all the evidence points too, you need to specualte to accumulate. No team has even got close to winning the title, without a massive cash investment.

SA would not still be there, if there was no money available. He was 1 game away from being replaced by Ron Atkinson, then a massive cash injection, and everything is rosy again. You have to spend big to be in the running, thats why the same teams are always at the top of the league, because they have the most financial clout.

Your theory on stability is a good one, but it can have an adverse affect too. Arsene is a prime example. First couple of seasons, he bought big, Henry, Overmars, Petit, Viera. Once he stopped spending his trophies dimished, as did his title hopes. Everton have had the same manager for 10 years, little or no investment available, but are consistent in where they finish. Top 8 every season, 4th being the highest they have finished, but without oodles of cash they cannot go onto the next level. So yes money does bring you trophies, and yes money does make you a big club.

[boomer39]

1950! 1960! All very long ago history boomer. Were talking football today, why keep bringing very old history into football off today. It's about now or last few seasons, about teams what are around now and their positions and what they are doing and winning. Its the premiership now and which big clubs have won that Title, not in the 50's 60's its 2011 boomer and the clubs what are big now.
12 times UTD have won the premiership now and are in the UCL next season, LFC have won the premiership how many times? are LFC still a big club where next season they will be playing in the UCL.

by your reasoning then,the "19" is irrelevent. football only started when the premiership was formed? spurs were 4th in 2009/10 and 5th last season, are they not a big club then? are city suddenly a big club? when these clubs have won as much as our to clubs then they will be classed the same as us. we are head and shoulders above the rest in trophy terms. only time will tell... and that will then become .....HISTORY.....

[yasminandrio]

I agree that manager stability helps, but money is the biggest factor. Arsenal spent big to win the league, as have all the other teams that have won the league. So yes, technically you do buy the league.

You will never accept that Man Utd bought the league, as your a Manc fan, so have a more biased opinion. Clearly all the evidence points too, you need to specualte to accumulate. No team has even got close to winning the title, without a massive cash investment.

SA would not still be there, if there was no money available. He was 1 game away from being replaced by Ron Atkinson, then a massive cash injection, and everything is rosy again. You have to spend big to be in the running, thats why the same teams are always at the top of the league, because they have the most financial clout.

Your theory on stability is a good one, but it can have an adverse affect too. Arsene is a prime example. First couple of seasons, he bought big, Henry, Overmars, Petit, Viera. Once he stopped spending his trophies dimished, as did his title hopes. Everton have had the same manager for 10 years, little or no investment available, but are consistent in where they finish. Top 8 every season, 4th being the highest they have finished, but without oodles of cash they cannot go onto the next level. So yes money does bring you trophies, and yes money does make you a big club.

I can see where you are coming from but i don't agree with you, Trophies make you a big club... Not Money, And Mark Robins

[yasminandrio]

I am going to say something now which i don't really want to admit to But their is two clubs head and shoulders above the rest in England and these are the two biggest club which is my beloved Man United, and the one i really don't want to admit to and hate so much Liverpool, so success makes you a big club weather its history or not We are still winning trophies and Liverpool are not, The only way you can be classed as a big club is when you have a trophie cabinet as full as ours or the other team i mentioned!! Money does not mean your a big club!! Look at QPR

[yasminandrio]

Also i do like banter and i do like winding people up but the post before is what i really think and know!!

[janobi]

I can see where you are coming from but i don't agree with you, Trophies make you a big club... Not Money, And Mark Robins

But the point is, you cannot win trophies without money! So money is what makes football go round.

And if its trophies that make a club big, then sadly your still lagging behind Liverpool. You might of won more titles than them, but they are still 3 european cups ahead of you, and that is the holy grail of football.

From you later posts it seems your just trying to goad people, unfortunately that wont work with me. I can be objective in any situation, and dont easily get wound up.

[yasminandrio]

But the point is, you cannot win trophies without money! So money is what makes football go round.

And if its trophies that make a club big, then sadly your still lagging behind Liverpool. You might of won more titles than them, but they are still 3 european cups ahead of you, and that is the holy grail of football.

From you later posts it seems your just trying to goad people, unfortunately that wont work with me. I can be objective in any situation, and dont easily get wound up.

But footballs a business and with business you need to buy and sell your players thats how it's always been The question was Can money make you a big club and my answer is sucsess makes you a big club, You can have all the money in the world and only win 1 trophie in 35 years that does not make you a big club, Sucsess breeds Sucsess, Just look at United, You might be able to buy it for a year but then you need to keep it going to be classed as a big club, Thats not money making you a big club Thats winning trophies and thats what makes you a big club I like the way you are thinking but my opinion is your wrong Sucsess is the key to a big club and not money Also Birmingham won a trophie this season with ~~~~ all money

[janobi]

But footballs a business and with business you need to buy and sell your players thats how it's always been The question was Can money make you a big club and my answer is sucsess makes you a big club, You can have all the money in the world and only win 1 trophie in 35 years that does not make you a big club, Sucsess breeds Sucsess, Just look at United, You might be able to buy it for a year but then you need to keep it going to be classed as a big club, Thats not money making you a big club Thats winning trophies and thats what makes you a big club I like the way you are thinking but my opinion is your wrong Sucsess is the key to a big club and not money Also Birmingham won a trophie this season with ~~~~ all money

But with success comes extra revenue, which allows you to buy better players, which leads to more success. This is all linked.

If Utd hadn't won so many trophies, they wouldn't have as much money, therefore would be unable to build a better team.

[yasminandrio]

But with success comes extra revenue, which allows you to buy better players, which leads to more success. This is all linked.

If Utd hadn't won so many trophies, they wouldn't have as much money, therefore would be unable to build a better team.

Well done thats correct now tell me that success doesn't make you a big club success breeds success and not Money you made my point well Thanks

[janobi]

Well done thats correct now tell me that success doesn't make you a big club success breeds success and not Money you made my point well Thanks

Can you not see what I am saying? You need money for success, and you need success for money. You nothing without either of them.

Utd bought the title, as did all the other champions over the past couple of seasons. END OF!

[yasminandrio]

Can you not see what I am saying? You need money for success, and you need success for money. You nothing without either of them.

Utd bought the title, as did all the other champions over the past couple of seasons. END OF!

Thats not true really is it?? otherwise City would of won it Chelsea would have won it more times, Money does not win the title end of!! a strong consitant team wins the title weather you like it or not, Money can't buy success, there will always be money in football as footballs a business, But to have 11 of the worlds most expensive players on the pitch playing together wont win you the title as we have seen this for years. So Did we buy the title this year?? i dont think so, we have well established players who are used to dealing with the pressures of the end of season run in, and thats the differance success does bring in money but thats how it works in every job!! you are rewarded for winning and thats the way it should be, You can't buy success or constant success

[Snowy79]

If money can't buy you success then why are the Worlds top players playing for the Worlds richest clubs. It's a bit like the chicken and the egg. What comes first? Imagine all advertising money went to the lower divisions to bring them on and Premier clubs were limited to paying their players ?2.50 a day ;-) Give it until the end of their contracts and the Worlds top players would be playing n the lower divisions and I bet you won't win any more Trophies.

[yasminandrio]

If money can't buy you success then why are the Worlds top players playing for the Worlds richest clubs. It's a bit like the chicken and the egg. What comes first? Imagine all advertising money went to the lower divisions to bring them on and Premier clubs were limited to paying their players ?2.50 a day ;-) Give it until the end of their contracts and the Worlds top players would be playing n the lower divisions and I bet you won't win any more Trophies.

Like all the world clas players who have already come and gone at city?? Which world class players are playing for the worlds richest clubs cause if your talking about united were far from been the worlds richest club, Were the world most valueble But not the world richest but if your talking about city they have won ~~~~ all in the last 35 years or wait a sec 1 fa cup Success brings in the best players the best players want to play for the best teams and play in the biggest games, you just don't get it.

[boomer39]

Like all the world clas players who have already come and gone at city?? Which world class players are playing for the worlds richest clubs cause if your talking about united were far from been the worlds richest club, Were the world most valueble But not the world richest but if your talking about city they have won ~~~~ all in the last 35 years or wait a sec 1 fa cup Success brings in the best players the best players want to play for the best teams and play in the biggest games, you just don't get it.

why did the likes of scholes, giggs, the ugly sisters, butt, beckham, etc play for you??? these guys won you your 1st league for 26 years... they played because they wanted to play for YOU... not because you were successful...do "you" get it???

[yasminandrio]

why did the likes of scholes, giggs, the ugly sisters, butt, beckham, etc play for you??? these guys won you your 1st league for 26 years... they played because they wanted to play for YOU... not because you were successful...do "you" get it???

All brought up through the ranks all world class players and all stayed with use cause we were successful or left when SAF fell out with them I am sure world class players would not of stayed with us if we wern't successful now do you get it it's ~~~~in success not money also were successful through the youth also, played for us for that amount of time cause they wanted trophies XX