Racists gone mad

[smirnoff_rules]

and :

my m8 was a bodymoor heath training ground ( villa training ground ) watching the kids and they where great , loads of talent , the coach said out of the 50 lads playing in different age groups u will only see 1 or 2 in the future or most properly none of them

[Shady]

It's easy enough for you to say that but these guys have just as much talent as any white or black kids and they were over looked because they were asian nothing else

its you and your mates making it about race.. no WAY any coach (if they even thought that) would SAY IT and risk losing their job, risk a criminal record, etc

[andy1967]

I suppose all these people are just making it up then, it's been happening for years, you just don't wan't to believe it fair enough don't but it happens.

Now your sounding more like Jon Obi Mikel.

[zee24]

FA statement: Mark Clattenburg

The FA have released a statement in relation to the recent Chelsea v Man Utd game

The FA has concluded its investigation into alleged misconduct by Mark Clattenburg during the match between Chelsea FC and Manchester United FC on Sunday 28 October 2012. No disciplinary action will follow against Mr Clattenburg.

The investigation chronology

Following the conclusion of the match, Chelsea FC reported to the match delegate that two of their players had been separately subject to abuse by the match referee, Mark Clattenburg.

On Monday 29 October 2012, The FA contacted Chelsea FC to establish whether the club and individual players wished to make a formal complaint in relation to the allegations reported to the match delegate.

On Wednesday 31 October Chelsea FC contacted The FA and confirmed that the club had conducted an internal enquiry and that they did wish to proceed with a formal complaint in relation to one of the allegations of abuse. The club did not wish to proceed in relation to the other allegation. The club provided witness statements from two players, Ramires Santos do Nascimento and John Obi Mikel.

The details of the allegation were that following one or the other of the red cards issued during the second half of the game, Ramires heard Mark Clattenburg say to John Obi Mikel. John Obi Mikel did not hear the alleged comment.

On 1 November 2012, The FA requested that Chelsea disclose full details of their internal investigation.

On 5 November 2012, Chelsea FC provided The FA with witness statements from other Chelsea FC players and officials.

On 5 November 2012, The FA interviewed Ramires and John Obi Mikel, using the TV match footage obtained by The FA.

Between 7 and 8 November 2012, The FA interviewed all four match officials.

On 9 and 14 November 2012, further to FA requests, Chelsea FC provided unbroadcast video footage of the game from static cameras.

On 15 November 2012, The FA re-interviewed Ramires to show him the previously unseen video footage provided by the club. At this stage, for the first time, the exact point at which the comment was alleged to have been made was established.

In light of this new information, between 15 and 19 November 2012, The FA interviewed the players who were in the vicinity of the alleged incident, and re-interviewed John Obi Mikel and the match officials.

Chelsea FC was offered the opportunity to provide any further information or evidence that they believed could be relevant to the allegation.

The FA then sought advice on the evidence gathered from independent Queen's Counsel.

The essential facts found

The evidence for the allegation came from one witness, Ramires. Ramires, whose first language is not English, explained that his instinctive reaction was to seek confirmation from John Obi Mikel as to what the referee had said.

John Obi Mikel, who was being spoken to by the referee, was much closer to the referee than Ramires and did not hear what it is suggested was said to him.

Three other witnesses, i.e. the other Match Officials, to whom everything said by referee was relayed via their communication equipment, are adamant the alleged words were not uttered.

There is nothing in the video footage to support the allegation.

For completeness, but of lesser weight, two other players, whose first language is English and were in the vicinity, did not hear anything untoward.

The decision

Having considered all of the available evidence it was the opinion of David Waters QC, independent counsel, that the evidence of Ramires was not supported by any other evidence. Moreover it was contradicted by other witnesses and does not cross the evidential threshold required to bring a charge against Mark Clattenburg.

Having considered Counsel's opinion, and in view of all the circumstances of the case, The FA does not believe that there is a case for Mr Clattenburg to answer.

Equally The FA is satisfied that the allegation against Mark Clattenburg by Ramires was made in good faith. It is entirely possible for a witness to be genuinely mistaken and convincing in his belief.

The FA receives and investigates numerous allegations of misconduct over the course of a season. All allegations are properly investigated. It is not uncommon for investigations to lead to no disciplinary charge being brought.

The FA encourages all players who believe they have been either subject, or witness to, discriminatory abuse to report the matter immediately to the match officials on the day. Furthermore, all Participants are advised to report any such alleged misconduct to The FA. In this case, the player and club were correct in reporting the matter to The FA and it was appropriate and proper for such an allegation to be thoroughly investigated.

[andy1967]

Football Association will not take disciplinary action against referee Mark Clattenburg

From BBC:


Quote:
Chelsea's Jon Mikel Obi is charged with misconduct following the FA investigation

[masur123]

What a joke... Whether you like the bloke or not, or whether you think he is a shite referee, this could have ruined the mans life on the allegation of allgeded racism. When will this madness end, where a man has to live in fear of losing their job, because someone "thought" they heard something

[maca]

There card is far bigger than ours......

[zee24]

Chelsea regret rushing to accuse referee Mark Clattenburg of racially abusing John Obi Mikel | Football News | ESPN.co.uk

[slippy05]

Havent been here for a while......

Its funny how alot of the people saying "its bull that asian players are over looked because of race"

Im not being racist but i wonder how many of you are white?

You have to see it to experience it, thats all im saying......

I have seen the best asian players get "taken out" with career ending tackles from the age of 15 just because they were too good and making a white player look bad

It happens every sunday morning, the league i play in had major race problems last year and i live in one of the most multi cultural cities in England

For people to think it doesnt happen is so laughable

It still happens every weekend in the leagues i play in....

I have seen it, felt it and experienced it.....i think alot of the people replying in this thread simply havent so they think "no way it cant be true"

Sorry guys......it is

EDIT: i also think some of you need to watch the Clarke Carlisle documentary, and if you still think asian players get a fair chance then your just being ignorant.

[Shady]

So what your saying slippy is that its just Indian or pakistani players getting overlooked because of race? Because it's quite frankly laughable that a team would pick a Korean/ Japanese etc player but not an Indian of the same quality based on what country he or his ancestors are from.

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[slippy05]

So what your saying slippy is that its just Indian or pakistani players getting overlooked because of race? Because it's quite frankly laughable that a team would pick a Korean/ Japanese etc player but not an Indian of the same quality based on what country he or his ancestors are from.

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I don't think top English clubs or clubs in the premiership want to take the risk of playing a Indian/pakistani....

Remember 20 years ago black players got banana's thrown at them when they used to walk onto the pitch by fans, the racist chants and hatred towards a player with coloured skin was horrendous.

It took a long time for black players to get accepted, it took even longer for black people to go to football matches as fans.

Asians have felt the same, only in the last 5-10 years have we felt safe to go to a football match and stand as a fan....before we were scared of the backlash from hooligans

I think this is what has kept asians out of top flight british football.......the clubs, owners, PR, chairman, manager were too scared back then of another backlash....and racism towards an asian player

In the 80's and 90's if there was a full Indian, brown skinned player on the pitch there would have been "paki" chants from the fans.....some fans were already going mad that they're team had a black player in the line up, many would not stand for it and protested against they're own club and to its owners

The "easy" way out was just not to buy a black or asian player, have no backlash, keep the fans happy, and money coming in through ticket sales.

Times have changed, we live in a different society and the blatently obvious racism from the stands has stopped but i fear its too late now.

Asian kids have long since realised we wont get a chance so we moved on. Will we now encourage our children to try and become professional?......hell no.....we still believe its a waste of time

In my day football was all i had, i lived it and breathed it and played non stop. Today kids arent liek that, they have so much choice so football is just another hobbie to them....thats why the ship has sailed.

[smirnoff_rules]

think u have a chip on your shoulder m8 .. theres every race in the game ,, it might just be that your race isnt good a football ? im white and cant run fast , my mates black and cant swim

[slippy05]

think u have a chip on your shoulder m8 .. theres every race in the game ,, it might just be that your race isnt good a football ? im white and cant run fast , my mates black and cant swim

LOL

I'm not bitter mate, this is just how it is and how it was.

sorry lm not having that crap ,, no matter wot race you are if your a great footballer u will get in anyway ..

But when are you "great"

You cant be great at 10 years old, you can be good but not the finished article.....

Who makes you into "the finished" article and gives you a chance to be great?.....a club

Do they take on asian kids from young ages and allow them the chance to become great?

Nah......didn't in my day

Still don't as far as i know

You really need to watch the Clarke Carlisle documentary its eye opening to what still goes on in the game even today.

But to think every great footballer makes it.......is just not true.

[Shady]

whats true is if you dont make it, youre not good enough, you may have great skill, but no determination, my nephew, great defender, his club raved about him, had scouts down yadda yadda yadda... one day when scouts came down for second look, hed gone to a bday party instead of training..
totally agree with smirnoff, loads of asians in the game.. top level, all the way down.. , definately chip on shoulder

[Shady]

what about lack of white players in nba? racism?
Canadians in cricket sides? racism?
Europeans playing kabbadi? Racism?