freemasons taking over the world

[thered]

im not basing anything on kids films, thats wat they are doin brainwashing your kids and you

surely i use the internet for my facts, but not the ones shoved in my face by the news and government

there is still free speech on the net but not for long

take the film Matrix, just a film?

mate your are plugged in2 their system, and the peoople plugged in2 the system will fight 2 protect it

in the film, who invented the matrix? The Great/Grand Architect?

what does the G in the masonic symbol stand for?

@nara

i garantee i have more friends than you,
what qualifications have you got?
maybe you need to get out abit more in2 the real world rather than let the TV tell you whats going on

sorry ok matrix is a 15 cert

nah sorry i couldnt resist but to base your arguements on fictional films is bizarre can they also dodge bullets these masons

as are the masonic symbols what do they honestly proove are all man utd fans devil worshippers or did they used to be pirates after all there is a devil and a ship on the badge

just because there is a film about something or a picture or a carving or a statue doesnt mean its a symbol or a clue to a secret world

and i dont know why people insist on throwing these theories together

[racin-snake]

i do something about it ...
i look at the big picture and search for answers
all of your arguments point me in a new direction
in the end we get a lot ?
you reckon its the mutts nuts ?
in your comfy life ?
so you do not dare to ask why ?
totalitarianism at its finest ..why complain?
then in your utopia your fine ?
while millions starve and thousands of millions have died in your name ?
for what you do not care to understand
come on ...ime allright ~~~~ the rest ?
this is why they get away with it
dont you see ?
you dont ask cos its not in your interest ...
wake up smell the coffee ...
do you think revolutions are built on 1 man ?
revolutions are built on thousands and millions of people demanding something
but in your cosy world ..it makes no sense to argue ?
how wrong is that ?
really how much of what you wrote do you really believe ?

i see you have posted a charity thing on your post
these charities serve one purpose
for the poor for the poor
why dont a big corporation just say ..there ya go mate here's the cash ?
why do actors, celebs and politicians all endorse these charities but give very little ?
endorsing charity is a PR stunt and most occasions a tax dodge
endorsement.. is giving without actually giving
look at band aid ...for the poor for the poor
if you want to give to charity ..by all means give
but question where its going and when
and if they do give to charity why advertise they have given anything ?

ask all of these questions its your right to ask questions

then look at the big picture ime not an anarchist by any shape or form ..i do not have to be ...
but i would like to be represented by someone picked by the people for the people
not someone on a payroll to some global corporation

and initially not a member of anything secretive in any way ...
hence my opposition to the masonic order this post was initially about ..
a realism that transparency is essential
do you now see where my point lies yet ?
as i cannot be any clearer
in my opinion...we are being cleverly deceived
i will leave the rest to fill in the gaps

money is power..power corrupts..absolute power corrupts absolutely

[z786]

you are also still in iraq n afghanistan because they are STILL rogue countries and STILL a threat 2 israel

until you get them under control, i dont think you will leave

[z786]

im not basing anything on kids films, thats wat they are doin brainwashing your kids and you

surely i use the internet for my facts, but not the ones shoved in my face by the news and government

there is still free speech on the net but not for long

take the film Matrix, just a film?

mate your are plugged in2 their system, and the peoople plugged in2 the system will fight 2 protect it

in the film, who invented the matrix? The Great/Grand Architect?

what does the G in the masonic symbol stand for?

@nara

i garantee i have more friends than you,
what qualifications have you got?
maybe you need to get out abit more in2 the real world rather than let the TV tell you whats going on

[thered]

in my case i dont want to have millions ?
i do not think it would make me a better person
(personally aint a big thing with me )
money in this case ie millionairs is trivial
what the guys on top are talking is serious wealth ( trillions)

do not be deluded by the meaning of wealth millions are chump change to these people

in a word no comparison to your suggestion ...

they also have control of the economy ..FACT..
ask why do we have to buy oil in dollars ?
ask why all trade is done in dollars ?
serios weakth mate
and in your word hold on to it tightly
seriously tight
and who do the trillion dollar defence contracts go to ?
who finances war (an enormous money maker )
think ....and look mate
then ask what would you do to protect that ?

i dont doubt some of it but who are the guys on top?

dont know why we buy oil in dollars but im guessing its probably something to do with the biggest world economy and biggest user of oil that uses them so its easier

and tbh if it was ??????'s there would be no doubt something sinister in it


as for war contracts i couldnt say who they go too but im sure some of ours are foriegn but regardless of this i dont see what it proves i am no great fan of war especially in matters that dont concern us IMO but i think we should have the best defence the country can afford so if it means spending billions on nuclear subs for example then i agree BAE the maker of the current UK trident subs employ around 6000 people so yes it helps the economy too

and yes we finance wars with taxes its a bit 5hit but it has to be done what can you do i dont agree with some of it iraq/afganistan for instance but i do think we need a defence and it costs money regardless

we pay for wars with taxes,we pay our councils with taxes,we pay our nhs with taxes and we pay a massive welfare system with taxes

we print money too its common knowledge not conspiracy but if you keep printing money your currency is worthless so it needs to be payed back by us the taxpayer

the economy is a fact of life nowadays some people have a conception that you can just print more money and solve all problems but in truth that is the most deluded misconception i have ever heard i remember asking the same thing to my mother in junior school and she laughed at me

if printing money was the answer too eveything we would have nothing and we would be all back to chasing animals in fields with spears and living in mud huts

many people talk about how we are slaves to the system stuck in the rat race in a world of corruption used like puppets

the truth is we have never had it so good we have gadgets, tv ,internet ,cars, hospitals even ready peeled veg go back a few years the streets stunk of pi55 you got the plague and had no teeth and got a job in the workhouse at 6

and you know what we have to do in return ~~~~in nothing

sign on,get your housing benefit and your council tax benefit and your fortnightly cash and if your bad go to the doctor or hospital for free if your really lucky you may even find a dentist,become and alchi or drug addict if you want you will get more cash of the state

its hardly the work of a secret society hell bent on greed and world domination is it?

if all these people are still unhappy they could head for the highlands or something and live off the land hunting fishing and picking berries

or just moan about it and continue their lives exactly the same way which sort of makes you wonder why people talk about it because they aint doing anything about it

[TheJackel]

just seen em today m8

and for what its worth why if i watch something is it propaganda and bullshit but if you watch something its the truth

Who said that mate?

your right you took what you wanted to hear

No i took what made sense to me.


i always thought there wasnt wmd in iraq i think we shouldnt be in afghanistan i think there maybe a few diseases that may be man made for medicine companies to make millions

3 out of 3 so you know what we are being told at times is bullsh8t from the media?

but that doesnt mean that masonic halls are full of master puppeteers secretly controling the masses

I agree 100%

find me some proof not hearsay

Find your own proof mate, i can give you some pointers if you want though.

[racin-snake]

in my case i dont want to have millions ?
i do not think it would make me a better person
(personally aint a big thing with me )
money in this case ie millionairs is trivial
what the guys on top are talking is serious wealth ( trillions)

do not be deluded by the meaning of wealth millions are chump change to these people

in a way.. no comparison to your suggestion ...

they also have control of the economy ..FACT..
ask why do we have to buy oil in dollars ?
ask why all trade is done in dollars ?
serios wealth mate
and in your words they hold on to it tightly
seriously tight
think about cash not declared for instance ?
then think if there was no cash?
then think what it means to have electronic money?
problem of cash in hand and tax evasion hapening .....
get it now ?

and who do the trillion dollar defence contracts go to ?
who finances war (an enormous money maker )?
think ....and look mate
then ask what would you do to protect that ?

then have a look on the list of supposed illuminati families
google each one see what they make and own
then revisit what you have came to the conclusion before if it is still the same ...fine
but i do think it will open your eyes

[thered]

i would hardly say its protecting bloodlines its more about protecting and maybe even increasing the wealth

EXACTLY ...and therefore worth the watching dont ya think ?

power and money corrupt ...FACT .
looking based on this fact alone provides an agenda a conspiracy dont ya think
on a grander scale pehaps perhaps not ?
but in both directions a concept maybe a FACT
the real problem is how and why this affects us
do you see this reasoning

in no way am i sugesting you submit to my way of thinking
but if and when you look for yourself
there is an elitist conspiracy ...
illuminati and bloodlines are just concepts of this theory
what levell ..i will leave that for yourself to decide
...............

in a word no..

money corrupts everyone m8 who is honest with it?

show me a builder who hasnt dodged the tax man a bit,does every driving instructor declare his cash sales its not just the elite who protect there cash everyone does it doesnt mean its a hidden agenda

as with royals protecting the cash and the rich and famous why not a lot of celebs have pre nups to protect from gold diggers and why not

i would too if i were in the same situation the rich have got more to lose and are easy targets for gold diggers

a rich man will never truly know if his wife likes him or his cash so marrying the well off is a sensible one in my eyes not a masterplan

money is not just an eliteist thing either there are hundreds of self made millionaires in the uk proving that you dont need to be born with a silver spoon in your mouth to make cash

a good idea a bit of luck and a lot of hard work can make anyone millions we should maybe try instead of wasting the days moaning about it


its all 4 in the morning smashed talk IMO

[outraged]

I am puzzled

I don't think you're the only one.

[racin-snake]

find it yourself ?
its in your interest not to rely on others "hearsay" isnt it ?
maybe then your outlook may still be a lot different
but it will be an educated theory not a guess
cant you see my point ?
ime not saying believe me
ime saying have a look find your own info take whats fact and disolve the fiction
you are in this debate for a reason ....
if thats correct then you are looking for the truth already
wandering through life accepting the inevitable is a wasted oppertunity
thats why i do not deny anyone from their own thoughts
just asking why these are so ?
and in the procces trying to get a reasoning
for everyone to take the effort to look

its a thing most will not take any incentive to try

look see the bigger picture
if theres nothing there then in your particuliar case then your assumption is an educated one

damping someone elses theories are then based on facts as you see them
no one is telling you anything .....you yourself are looking and the input is then relatively unpoluted
see both sides .....it makes debate a real possibility to get the right conclusions in your particuliar case
as ive said before ...my thoughts and theories are always expanding as facts are gathered and proccesed to come to an educated conclusion

its your right your choice yor conclusions
safe in the fact they are YOURS

RACIN-SNAKE

[thered]

@thered well have you had time to mull my questions over yet mate and if so what did you come up with?

I dont go in for all the reptilian agenda either or alot of the signs and symbols, but have watched numerous documentaries on them and have taken what i needed from them, as i do with most of my reading and research.

@ nara come on mate your going to have do better than this .

just seen em today m8

and for what its worth why if i watch something is it propaganda and bullshit but if you watch something its the truth


your right you took what you wanted to hear


i always thought there wasnt wmd in iraq i think we shouldnt be in afghanistan i think there maybe a few diseases that may be man made for medicine companies to make millions

but that doesnt mean that masonic halls are full of master puppeteers secretly controling the masses


find me some proof not hearsay

[TheJackel]

No just try to educate yourself mate, dont believe everything you read in the papers or see on the TV, try to be open minded and not blinkered.

A couple of instances to mull over.
1 Did we invade Iraq because of WMD or Oil ?
2 Why are we really in Afghanistan ?
3 What happened to the big swine flu pandemic that did not materialise ?

Like i say do some probing yourself you will be suprised what you will unearth from the internet, i know its not Trevor Mcdonut telling you or the scum newspaper but you will be able to make an educated opinion yourself.

@thered well have you had time to mull my questions over yet mate and if so what did you come up with?

I dont go in for all the reptilian agenda either or alot of the signs and symbols, but have watched numerous documentaries on them and have taken what i needed from them, as i do with most of my reading and research.

@ nara come on mate your going to have do better than this .

[racin-snake]

i would hardly say its protecting bloodlines its more about protecting and maybe even increasing the wealth

EXACTLY ...and therefore worth the watching dont ya think ?

power and money corrupt ...FACT .
looking based on this fact alone provides an agenda a conspiracy dont ya think
on a grander scale pehaps perhaps not ?
but in both directions a concept maybe a FACT
the real problem is how and why this affects us
do you see this reasoning

in no way am i sugesting you submit to my way of thinking
but if and when you look for yourself
there is an elitist conspiracy ...
illuminati and bloodlines are just concepts of this theory
what levell ..i will leave that for yourself to decide
...............

[thered]

bloodlines ...mmmm
every time a child is born the bloodline splits two ways but most only take the paternal name to follow on
so in fact its not accurate as to speak of the fuller picture would suggest
genes are split every time
the argument as stated from some is
that these people try to manufacture through breeding that the bloodline stays as pure as posible
so thats why i sugest the theory is founded on
royals cannot marry comoners ect
only other royalty ....see the thinking?
there fore there bloodline is preserved .
common people like us do not
thus you may have decendents supposedly related but so diluted its not in fact traceable
so if you look the royalty have a good degree on historic fact of the fraternity of their bloodline
us however have things like iligitimacy and so on to contend with
so accuracy is compromised
i appreciate your effort in looking though
it shows you are in the frame of mind to give the notion that all that deems worth finding is worth the looking
the problem i have is that most folk will not deem it a viable concept to question the facts presented
shame really
its worth every single minute or hour to see the arguments on both sides then make what you deem to be the facts as .....your own theory

not just one forced or suggested

IMHO......looking for the truth is in fact the only way you can be sure you are informed in your way denying the speculation based on what you learn as to what you have been told
extremeists on all sides use this ignorance to either distort or refute the truths
you on the other hand have an option of making your mind up by seeing the facts and then
producing your take on the whole thing
doctrination is mind control
look at the stuff you dont agree with first see why your doughts are founded then and only then make your mind up
no agenda , just a simple procces of finding out wether you are being decieved or not
before ya buy it try it
or research
if people kept their minds as sacred as their money ?
then you would look before ya bought into something ....

that was my point tbh re bloodlines one of the main things that people talk about is about the USA presidents all being related to each other and the queen ect and how they use there bloodlines too control the masses

in the main they are all very very distant relations much the same as me only difference is that when these david icke people spout there stuff they make it out that its something special

when in truth like you said its just diluted and means nothing


with regards to royal bloodlines i dont think all royals marry royals but they do normally marry the well to do and not the common man


but tbh if i were king or even just a millionaire i wouldnt want me son or daughter marrying someone off say a council estate would you?

i would hardly say its protecting bloodlines its more about protecting and maybe even increasing the wealth


as of yet a bit like ghosts when i see something concrete i will believe it but trying to read between lines isnt evidence as some people seem to think


im not saying that everything that goes on is gospel i have doubts on many things but i think the NWO,freemasonary and the reptillian bloodlines ect are all a bit hollywood for me

[racin-snake]

bloodlines ...mmmm
every time a child is born the bloodline splits two ways but most only take the paternal name to follow on
so in fact its not accurate as to speak of the fuller picture would suggest
genes are split every time
the argument as stated from some is
that these people try to manufacture through breeding that the bloodline stays as pure as posible
so thats why i sugest the theory is founded on
royals cannot marry comoners ect
only other royalty ....see the thinking?
there fore there bloodline is preserved .
common people like us do not
thus you may have decendents supposedly related but so diluted its not in fact traceable
so if you look the royalty have a good degree on historic fact of the fraternity of their bloodline
us however have things like iligitimacy and so on to contend with
so accuracy is compromised
i appreciate your effort in looking though
it shows you are in the frame of mind to give the notion that all that deems worth finding is worth the looking
the problem i have is that most folk will not deem it a viable concept to question the facts presented
shame really
its worth every single minute or hour to see the arguments on both sides then make what you deem to be the facts as .....your own theory

not just one forced or suggested

IMHO......looking for the truth is in fact the only way you can be sure you are informed in your way denying the speculation based on what you learn as to what you have been told
extremeists on all sides use this ignorance to either distort or refute the truths
you on the other hand have an option of making your mind up by seeing the facts and then
producing your take on the whole thing
doctrination is mind control
look at the stuff you dont agree with first see why your doughts are founded then and only then make your mind up
no agenda , just a simple procces of finding out wether you are being decieved or not
before ya buy it try it
or research
if people kept their minds as sacred as their money ?
then you would look before ya bought into something ....


as for Nara : I think it's dumb conspiracy theory invented by intellectually challenged paranoics who need to get a life, meet people, make friends, get an education, etc.

ha ha ha ha ..............see you prove your are educated ? and my friend you ARE an intelecual
go find a basis for your concepts come back with an argument till then save your inane drivell its humourles tripe and i am amazed you have the audacity to say this in public
shows you up for what you are mate ....i have to say is a shame too ...as i see you have many fiends here and on dw that would show you are as clever as you think you are ......
save your nonsence ...find facts ...at least when you did that you became tollerable and viable