freemasons taking over the world

[flyingpig]

Erm yes... I am in no way Satanic, I am a Catholic and I went and its the thing that people do --- that hand gesture. Its a sign of being cool or hip these days. Get with it - Get with the programme , as my (appranetnly) satanist hand signing kids would say.

What does it matter anyway if Obama was a Mason? I cant see why that would matter, well matter anymore if he was a member of the local Barry Manilow fan club, or Augusta Golf Club?

[z786]

like i said
brick walls

metallica eh
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nlPpZQV2SI]YouTube - ‪Metallica Are Satanic‬‎[/ame]

let me guess, they are only words?

[racin-snake]

the picture of the rising sun does not only provide the reasoning you claim?
its also the sign of Horace or Jesus or many other symbolic
and ritual meanings

lucifarians use this symbol too
in fact if you look at many symbols.. its up to interpretation
so what your fact states is in fact untrue to many degrees
what ime trying to imply is
do not sit back and take in these interpretations
open your mind and use what you were given above all else
we were given a unique gift that of using our minds
don't let anyone take or blunt that gift
its a rite that we are born to but many choose to leave dormant
question your authorities and question the facts
no agenda from me of anything like a conspiracy
just let yourself be of free mind to see the facts that are presented
nothing more nothing less
ime afraid it has come to a sorry state when if you ask why ..you then are ridiculed threatened and so on
i have no religious or hidden agendas
just looking for what's real and what's not ..THE FACTS

do not let this worlds leaders or religions or creeds detract from this
...................racin-snake
just to add
is barak obama who he says he is ? and is this a fact if so the most powerful man in the world has never declared or denied this ?
seems so strange ......is this not worth looking for the facts ?
i think so ..dispell or believe your choice ..................i prefer to see the FACTS

[flyingpig]

That is a pic on the ring in the film. That does not mean its on Obamas finger...

And the hand sign... Are you saying my 4 year old son is a satanist? Because he does that hand sign all the time.,Or the thousands of people that I went to a metalica concert with,???,. Oh you make me laugh.

Also -- Justr watched the vid again.... I dont really see the Masonic sign -- It could be the eagle thingy of the usa.

[z786]

that pic they show is a poster of obamas campaign

this is the pic on the ring

wat about the satanic hand signs?

did you forget about them?

[flyingpig]

Again, that ring --- You cant see its Obama's.... Haha,, its a pic of Obama, then a separate pic of a ring. Oh my... Do you believe everything you see.... You are mislead...

The rising sun is always a pic used to denote a new beginning, the start of a new day, the turning of a new leaf. If he had an emblem of night drawing in, with thunder an lightning form the sky, what would you say then... Haha....

Also, that wasnt a masonic ring. But what do I know.

[flyingpig]

I havent watched that VId yet,, I will...

I never said that vidoe was fake.. What I did say is there is no way you can tell that Obama is a mason from that vid. You do not see his grip. You see the guy sitting down, his grip, so yes, he could be a mason (the guy sitting) but defo not Obama,

[z786]

it took you 2 visits n 3 hours to come up with all that
im not gna show you nay more proofs as your no doubt going to ignore them and drivel on about something else
i can systematically break down evidence and present it here but talking to walls isnt my hobby

just a side note, watch this, it might help you figure out why your 15 yr cousin got pregnant

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de6ROrSWqj4]YouTube - ‪The Arrival part 3 children mind control‬‎[/ame]

@ flyingpig
maybe this will help you or is that fake aswell?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id-R_h5spJM]YouTube - ‪Meet the Real Barack Obama Illuminati -Descubre la verdadera identidad del Negro Obama !‬‎[/ame]

[flyingpig]

Nope, but ever heard the words Inevitable?



seeing is believing
YouTube- ‪Barak Obama's a free mason‬‎

You really need to look at this video and really understand that it is misleading. This does not prove that Obama is a Mason or not.. The guy sitting down may well and truly be a mason. But you cannot see Obama's shake you are seeing the guy shaking.

Also, McCain you could say is more than likely not a Mason as well. But you cannot say from this video that Obama is a Mason.. Believe me..

[racin-snake]

I mean just last week my little 15 year old cousin got preganant just from watching twilight!
back seat job then ?

If i end up in court its not my job to provide evidence, on the contrary my sole action should be refuting any evidence provided by the prosecution, all i need to do is cast the slightest of doubt over a shred of evidence and its taken out of the running.
Its the prosecutions job to PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that im guilty.

how then would you disprove the evidence ? by staying silent
no by rebuttal
or accept the evidence provided without a word?
no my fiend you are the one who is wrong
if the evidence has no contrary it cannot be dis proven any lawyer will tell you this
your theory is flawed in so many departments
also a 33rd degree mason is as you have said no different to yourself ?
then why is the honour bestowed in America ?
is this then a different faction to the Scottish rite?
as if i were unwell i would go to a doctor a qualified one not one bestowed by a title that was unrecognised?

as for saying "you need a handshake wherever you go" where did i say that?
mmmm.....?

any ways you are less convincing now more than ever
the trick is to see how in fact the world works
in REALITY ...
all your dogmatic stuff on rites ect does not concern me at all or in any way its laughable romanticised nonsense to me as
the point is you do not have an answer
and if asking for answers and asking questions makes you loose respect ?
so sorry for you
maybe you should go back and have another round of anger management or maybe a good blast of lsd again see if it will then flash your synapses back to free thinker as opposed to a drone
anyway your denial and then facts of the matter remain unfounded
i believe your intentions no matter how gullible are
the result of conditioning

thanks for your information and time for posting ...my position in posting is nothing to do with god or any other of the stand points you have tried to surmise .my asking is to see the truth and make my own mind up of the FACTS ...nothing more

[chroma]

in october last year, he wasnt a mason, infact he was calling them "loonies"

how ironic

And where in this post does it mention that i either was or was not a mason?
Stating i know my towns membership doesnt infer either possibility i left it entirely open to whomevers interpretation

As for calling people loonies, if you reread it carefully you'll see the loonies referred to are the paranoid New World Order conspiricy theory whackjobs.

By all means continue along with your baseless assumptions and asinine ravings, continue to make it personal by all means, the dull axe your wielding has plenty of grinding on it yet.

As for the assumption that you "need handshakes wherever you go" you base this on what? personal experience?
Yet again its baseless unfounded assumption on your part, good try though.

As for wether i am or am not a 33rd degree, ive made this blatantly obvious in a previous post:

You need to be an Americanized mason for starters, theres no such thing in Scotland. Which is strange considering that they term degrees after the 3rd as part of the "Scottish rites."

So yeah, troll harder son.

By all means continue to believe that EVIL MASONS are more responsable for kids shooting kids, kids getting knocked up, kids knowing more about sex than religion, its clearly our fault over your poor parenting skills right?

I mean just last week my little 15 year old cousin got preganant just from watching twilight!

And let us not forget that Marilyn Manson personaly walked into Columbine High and started firing round after round into students, it clearly wasnt anyone elses fauly was it?

Everything you post is routinely absurd with no provable links to reality, designed from the ground up to troll, i wouldnt be all too bothered either if only you where good at it.

And then theres racin, someone whom up till recently i respected, but someone who can honestly believe for a second that the burden of proof lies with the defendant... it beggars belief.

If i end up in court its not my job to provide evidence, on the contrary my sole action should be refuting any evidence provided by the prosecution, all i need to do is cast the slightest of doubt over a shred of evidence and its taken out of the running.
Its the prosecutions job to PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that im guilty.

What your refering to with relation to breath testing is the Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 6
Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52)

And this means that refusal to cooperate with a request for a breath test will get you arrested if your behavior suggests your blind piss drunk.
This still has to go through a court where the prosecution supplies evidence to PROVE your guilty.
At no point throughout are you expected in any way to prove your innocence, merely refute and cast doubt on any evidence given.
The burden of proof still lays with the prosecution, suggesting otherwise is absurd.

As for the right to remain silent or the "priviledge against self incrimination" this goes on to prove the concept.
You dont need to say anything when arrested, and the jury can NOT hold that silence against you.
It goes even further than the arrest, when your in court on the stand there absoloutly nothing preventing you from invoking the right to silence and saying absoloutly nothing.
There is no general duty to assist the police in their enquires either, you can plead your right to silence under common law and answer absoloutly none of their questions.

Again the burden of proof lies with the prosecution not the defence.

[z786]

To lump us in with other miscreants and deviants is unfounded at best, after several centuries any serious agenda of wrongdoing or malintent would have surfaced long ago.

if theres no wrong doing, why is there no faith in God left?
why is it nowadays, kids knw more about sex than kids did back in the days?
your music/dramas/films provoke this, causing teen pregnancies

your music indoctrinates people to do things they wouldnt do

America has bombed evry country that is getting in isreals way. Mosque Al-Aqsa has been taken by Israel

1000s of innocent people have been killed in afghanistan,iraq,palestine,vietnam?

aids is a man made virus that correlates with the immunisations that wer given in africa

swine flu no doubt was your product

if that is not wrong doing then please xplain what is?

[racin-snake]

he he he he
how these things amaze me ,,,,NICE ONE,,,
Chroma this makes ya laugh is a recent conscript thus he knows everything .......
hes one of the loonies now so from foil hatter to loonie
got to hand it to you man discredit is one thing but a doctrinated newbie ....he he


Nara my friend where did you find this ?
and does the other stuff i wrote easily discredit
and do you really believe innocence is presumed LOL
if i as driving and then was asked to give a specimen of breath /blood ect
would i then be charged with an offence if i refused?
YES . ON ITS OWN ...REFUSAL TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE IS A CRIME
where does your input stand there?
Nonsense, as usual. You really must do some research before spouting drivel.
one other thing
you have managed once again to provide your take on things
as per 1 liner
and as for the other questions i asked you ?
care to ratify ?
maybe not
give me a reference place to look what you have said up and i will then we can examine your facts

when you are charged with an offence what is the wording ?
"You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence."

then you will realse why i say you have to prove ....anyway your ignorance intrigues me no end ..keep it up
NARA COULD BE DK'S DAVID IKE

[z786]

Theres only one way for me to disprove a handshake wih absolout certainty, thats to show you the real grips.

This would go against my oath, and thas not a road i'm willing to go down.

no worries mate, we wouldnt want you to do that, there might be another "jack the ripper" around
you need the handshakes wherever you go, not jus entering lodges
now tell me this vid is also wrong?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56CaT7c0XZY"]YouTube - ‪jay-z Nas Kanye West and the Freemason Handshake‬‎[/ame]

@racin-snake

there is no chance that chroma is anywhere near 33rd degree level, he is just a starter, bottom of the pyramid, bottom of the food chain. i dont blame him, he obviosly doesnt knw the "agenda"

if you read this quote from himself, wat does it tell you?

Take the Masonic Lodge for instance, a large "secret" society. If its so tremendously secret then why do i know so much of the goings on and my towns entire membership?
Maintaining any secret is EPIC in the difficulty stakes.

Not that i mind these loonies, they keep the governments on their toes by spending countless manhours overanalyzing every single detail of politics no matter how trivial.

in october last year, he wasnt a mason, infact he was calling them "loonies"

how ironic

pps. @chroma, by the way, i wasnt using a broken keyboard, its txt language, not text, maybe back in your days it was different?

[dell_xps]

All I can add to that video is a "good Mason covers his work", I see nothing Masonic it that video I'm afriad.