freemasons taking over the world

[thered]

anyways i forgot just another point for the people who look into everything and decide that they are all in it together because the are all related/bloodlones ect

i decided to search myself this morning took about 20 mins


being a ferguson i decided to look at the family history and found that the fergusons and offshoots of the ferguson clan are decended from fergus of gallway hence the name fergus-son as in son of fergus most descendants and translations have lost the double ss nowadays and use one s

anyways fergus of gallway was robert the bruces great great grandad and robert the bruces bloodlines run right through to at least the tudors then i got bored looking


anyways point is i am in the royal bloodline too spookey eh


so if you dig deep enough you will make connections but it doesnt make all this NWO true does it


but then again i would say that wouldnt i im one of them now

[thered]

search for the facts then make a decision on that

i havent seen any yet just mumbo jumbo in this thread about signs and stuff on jayz records not by you personally but just in the thread


i cant quite actually believe that some people make so much much out of all this theory and peoples ideas

lets see proof not lets watch films and guess at stories and connections with people its loonacy

apparantly if you play the beatles revolution record backwards it makes a reference to an already dead paul mcartney who has already died in 1967 or whatever it was

what do things like this prove

anyways the point im trying to make in this thread is show me some evidence not guesswork on what or what not people are doing or not doing and freemasonry

[racin-snake]

how then can you debunk and engage a theory when you have nothing with which to debunk ?
again whos arse over tit
i think the process defies you you are banned from every where else
probably for causing trouble or your mindless rantings
but if you cannot dis prove a theory then why engage the conversation?
to debunk it with laughter ?
if you cannot disprove my theory then why are you heartset on trying to engage
provide facts of why when and how pall then you might be taken seriosly
till then maybe a few lines and a copy and paste to maybe look better ?
shallow man
disprove then say your piece till then why engage ?
the burden of proof is with both sides of a debate
or there would be no debate
dont you see ?

even chroma is admitting this :
[QUOTE\]Like i said there is absoloutly no need for a defendant to produce evidence, you can get away with murder by keeping silent or discrediting the prosecutions evidence.[QUOTE\]

this is not concievable without providing evidence to the contrary.....(or discrediting the prosecutions evidence.)
more a case of what you see is not entirely what you in fact get
STAYING SILENT MAY HARM YOUR DEFECE IF SOMETHING YOU LATER RELY ON IN COURT
look read aquire the knowledge to see the full picture ........

[racin-snake]

good to see you gave looking for answers a go
but is not a case of brainwashing and mind control that is my thinking
i do not believe the facts till its proven
why in the hell should i believe the goverments line ?
all the places you have refered to for information are all there are the internet, books , or television
heaven forbid take it word of mouth
ime not in any way telling anyone that the arrivals or david ike are the be all and end all
just informing the posibilities of using constructive thought to make your own mind up
search for the facts then make a decision on that
in my oppinion using the media and newspapers and so on have a tendency to bring you to the wrong conclusions
debate and dialogue are necesary to find truth and therefore worthwhile
i personally do not force any kind of doctrine on anyone
just remind them that ..look at everything and give merit to whats you deem is right

in so far as if someone said a certain game was crap
you deemed it to be good
would you then ask them why ?
and what they think could be improved ?
simple as this theory is its just a case of turn it round to your own life
look at the picture and then make your decision
nothing more than this
just look at the full picture and then the conclusion you come to is your conclusion not anyone elses .....therefore if its not influenced by anyone else its a conclusion deduced by yourself for yourself
simple theory not a full on agenda as to whether theres a brainwashing ,mind control agenda

[thered]

i have other ways of finding the truth for myself, these vids wer easier to show you

rather than face the questions, when you dont have anything to prove me wrong, you just say "so what" that just make you look even more clueless

so wat do you use to research? the tv or the newspapers?

have you seen the film "national treasure"?

in it he discusses a treasure the knights templars smuggled to europe, a treasure too great for 1 man alone

can you tell me what that was?

and yes walt disney has very strong links with masons which i can prove beyond reasonable doubt

i just wont waste my time as you have your mind made up.

you make sure you stay hip ok

have you watched E.T.?


ffs you mock people for being blinkered but you are basing your theorys on kids films and disney

[nara]

cmon Nara whats your take on the whole thing
or will that maybe take more than one line ?

I think it's dumb conspiracy theory invented by intellectually challenged paranoics who need to get a life, meet people, make friends, get an education, etc.

That should be more than one line.(well it did after I edited it.)

debunkers need facts to debunk

There you go again, completely ar*e over t*t.

The onus of proof is on those who propose a theory, not those who oppose it.

You're the one with the theory m8, not me.

[nara]

sources please

You've got to be kidding!

[thered]

1) Oil
2) The ?3 trillion worth of untapped minerals in Afghanistan
3) There never was one. It was a false flag event to microchip the population with very-small RFID chips included in the swine flu vaccine

sources please

[thered]

1. Iraq was the closest rogue country to israel, cant have a threat to israel present, only 1 left is Iran

2. Needed an Airbase and Port to invade Iraq, America is too far away to keep travelling with bombs, army etc

3. As my friend above me has said

you are clutching at straws here for reasons


needed an airbases ffs to invade iraq why we still there then?



like i said in an earlier post its all theory and thoughts you are believing its your choice but i suppose you know better than i do

[thered]

No just try to educate yourself mate, dont believe everything you read in the papers or see on the TV, try to be open minded and not blinkered.

i dont but where have you gotten your information from


either books,tv,internet or newspapers im guessing


you choose what to believe and what not too thats not being educated not everything in life is a smokescreen as some people seem to make out

i have read books and watched people like david icke out of curiosity the more i read the dumber it all gets its all madcap theories based on signs and relations i have a mate who is now brainwashed by it all (he just been to watch icke a few weeks ago) and tbh he starting to get on my t*ts with all the crap he spouts

he is blinded by everything when you make an example of something all i get is thats what they want you to believe or thats because im brainwashed to thinking that way we have been brainwashed since school and only learn what our teachers told us and they all learned it from whoever and we are just programmed like it


you will not change your views and there are yours to keep i have tried to see the world from that perspective and i dont agree with it its my opinion and i think its bollox but i have at least tried and i have been open minded about it

no doubt there are things that are dubious but it doesnt mean we are living in a trueman style show and its all fake

in this world of yours where we are programmed by tv and media coverage why are tv stations allowed to show programs about say 9/11,the moon landings,roswell and diana's death,freemasons and the illuminati ect

after all they give an unnoficial conspiracy style view promoting government corruption which surely they wouldnt allow would they if the control the media?

and why let so called truth tellers makey money off people doing gigs surely they should be underground events in a country of puppets controlled by the illuminati yet they are not the even make money out of the people who are "bright enough" to listen

opening your eyes is fair enough but only focusing on one way is worse

[racin-snake]

prove him wrong ?
cmon Nara whats your take on the whole thing
or will that maybe take more than one line ?
debunkers need facts to debunk
mockery and so on does not cut it ...in fact its even more thoughtless than you think the position of the other guy
consistantly you copy and paste a few lines and yet you support none of the actual questions ?
i have shown you that when the facts are wrong you search for the answer
and as you have seen people will admit there facts have been refuted
yet you will engage a conversation with two lines and a smiley
cmon man if you think your better disprove any of the points in question
join the debate and engage the subject .....
chroma has his line for his concepts and beliefs
wheres yours ?
cos your freinds say its wrong its wrong ?
nope ..
i do not agree ......the word sheep springs to mind

[nara]

:

He's always good for a laugh.

[Herbie]

There never was one. It was a false flag event to microchip the population with very-small RFID chips included in the swine flu vaccine

:

[irfy]

RFID Chip

If anyone out there knows how to find out if you've been TAGGED Pls let us know.

[z786]

1 Did we invade Iraq because of WMD or Oil ?
2 Why are we really in Afghanistan ?
3 What happened to the big swine flu pandemic that did not materialise ?

1. Iraq was the closest rogue country to israel, cant have a threat to israel present, only 1 left is Iran

2. Needed an Airbase and Port to invade Iraq, America is too far away to keep travelling with bombs, army etc

3. As my friend above me has said