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[nsw9154]

Looks like they really got the AXE out today about 16 channels gone in one fell swoop

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HD Channels Gone Today have been updated in First Post.


Regards

[sh4wngu35t]

MTV Hd working here

[jhakas]

is star plus hd gone ?

[ALAN 1]

E4 HD
MTV live HD
gone dark

[paulplom]

I'm happy with what I've got. Beggars can't be choosers.
Just keep updating with Aj's list as the hd channels disappear and all is well.

[cactikid]

ohh its sheer mayhem fintannl everbody running to cable again for hd

[fintannl]

This is a really good and exact description of the new system. To put it in layman's terms (and this is what I have said). The old sky bog standard SD box is incapable of working the revised version of the sky encryption system. So because there are many bog standard users in Italy and UK/Ireland there is no way that sky can close SD down in the near future. So enjoy for the next two to ten years. Also enjoy HD channels that are not a part of the sky family oif HD channels. Not as big a disaster as most thought:-)

[cobra1423]

HOW THE NEW SYSTEM WORKS

Loads of people still selling on fleebay and bumtree guaranteeing all hd channels

Sky's new pairing doesn't introduce any significantdifferences to the existing NDS data, that data is still encrypted so only agenuine card can decrypt it, but what it does do is add an additional layer ofencryption between the box/card to prevent their cards from being used in cardservers like oscam.

A new HD box running the latest firmware is able totake the incoming NDS data [ECMs/EMMs] from the MPEG stream and further encryptit before sending it to the card.

An old HD box (or an SD box) just continues as itdid before, extracting the NDS data from the MPEG stream and feeding it to thecard.

This design allows Sky to alter NOTHING to theexisting NDS code, which is essential to (a) prevent loggers/hackers fromrunning comparators over logs from the then/now data streams and (b) allowolder boxes to work as before.

Remember, the change has NOT happened at the NDSlevel, it has happened at the firmware level of both the new HD boxes and theexisting cards.

It's the boxes that are instructed to use thepairing algo [or not] for a particular channel(s) [or more accurately,entitlement group/level]

If you place a card in a new HD box, the card willbe instructed to accept the newly encrypted data using the box's pairing key...

If you then move the card back to oscam, it willcontinue to expect that encrypted data for that channel(s) and try to decryptit...
Of course, as the incoming data is NOT encrypted(coming from oscam for example) you'll get nothing worthwhile back..

So what happens when you put a card back in oscamor put it back in an SD box or an old HD box and leave it..?
If the card is unable to verify it's running in anew HD box [after x amount of time (or cycles) or following a newinstall/pairing process], it reverts back to the original system we all knowand love, which is of course easy for most to share.
[I'm sure their lawyers have reminded Sky not toenforce a blackout on paying customers for fear of prosecution or maybe Skyhave acknowledged some people may use their own older boxes in the event of afailure..]

How long Sky allow the card to revert back on theother hand is the question most pay servers should be considering..

As it stands now the new system does nothing toprevent c/s, however, once Sky are happy they have updated all the smartcards(all those EMMs you've been seeing...) and have completed most (if not all) ofthe box upgrades, expect to see some disruption.

When this will be, you'll have to ask the boys overat Sky (and I'm not talking about their installers / customer support agentshere )

Here's a quick overview of both the old and newdata exchange:

Current:
ECM/EMM Data is fed to the box via the MPEG stream,it then passes it to the card for a response.

New:
ECM/EMM Data is fed to the box via the MPEG stream,it then futher encrypts the data using a pairing key before passing it on tothe card. The card decrypts this in order to then decrypt and process theoriginal ECM/EMM command. The reply is then encrypted [again using the pairingkey] and sent back to the box, which then decrypts and executes it.

Both the original ECM/EMM data and the reply havenot changed, the only thing that has changed is the way the data was exchangedbetween the box and the card..

It is possible to use a card which has been updated to the new system bydumping the key from a new HD box (pretty much in the same way you dump an RSAkey from a Nagra3 UK Cable box) which then allows the use of something likenewcs, utilising the receiver ID of course.

COBRA1423

[Flimsysquid]

Loads of people still selling on fleebay and bumtree guaranteeing all hd channels

[benny/9]

I Suppose you would doing all the sat's thankfully I only have 28.2E at the moment

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or you could get a new box and a sub off Dame Edna Everage
and you will get a guarantee that you wont need to re scan and
you will have all the HD channels back permanently ,

[DigitalVandal]

I Suppose you would doing all the sat's thankfully I only have 28.2E at the moment

I say thankfully I do have motorised as I still have loads of HD.

[nsw9154]

Lol not that long. Try scanning in a multi sat or the full arc on motorised and you will soon lose a few hours of your day by the time you have updated the changes

I Suppose you would doing all the sat's thankfully I only have 28.2E at the moment

[gilvey]

I tend to find ajs lists have freezing issues, mainly setanta ones. I usually just scan the transponder again which sorts it

[happy_highlander]

I tend to do a full scan every other Day now just to keep my channels up to date as it dose not take that long really

Lol not that long. Try scanning in a multi sat or the full arc on motorised and you will soon lose a few hours of your day by the time you have updated the changes