Bedroom tax, new thread !

[thered]

Maybe illegal immigrants working everywhere?

Some maybe but most have normal jobs many residents cant be arsed with

Which is part of the reason they are here

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

Although it appears wrong that those with loads of money still get benefits I also believe if you've paid your dues you deserve everything you get. Most of those millionaires pay more tax in a year than some will pay in a lifetime. Sure they're still minted but in the majority of cases they've worked for it.

Take away the benefits from those that work hard and one day you'll have a country full of those that think they deserve everything for doing nothing. It's already at the stage where it pays more to have three kids and be unemployed. With benefits you will be on a lot more than the national average wage so why work ?

Dont confuse BENEFITS with pension !

pension is a right........something you pay into all your life,not a handout, but a right.

You dont want your pension when you retire?

[Snowy79]

I'm not confusing benefits with pensions. I said "If you've paid your dues you deserve everything you get". Free bus passes, tv licence etc is a benefit that I think if you've contributed towards regardless how rich you are you should receive it. As for the pension even those that don't contribute one penny all their life will still receive it.

As for wanting my pension when I retire even if I was worth millions I would take it. I would then give it to someone who needs it though as long as they've contributed to society.

Dont confuse BENEFITS with pension !

pension is a right........something you pay into all your life,not a handout, but a right.

You dont want your pension when you retire?

[allycoops]

Thanks to markymarky for original post

The Green Benches: #Breaking: Government lose Bedroom Tax legal challenge decision


The law firm fighting a legal challenge to Cameron's Bedroom Tax have just informed me of the excellent news you can read below. (You can aslo view the original source for this news from this link)



The Government has failed in its attempt to prevent legal action against its controversial Bedroom Tax, after a judicial review of the decision was granted permission to proceed in the High Court, lawyers Leigh Day have announced.

A Judicial Review of the Government's controversial decision to deny housing benefit to people who have more than one bedroom if they are single or a couple will now be heard in early May.

Ugo Hayter from Leigh Day, who is representing a number of disabled clients challenging the legislation, said: "This is an excellent result and the first step in over ruling what we believe is an unfair piece of legislation which has a disproportionate negative consequences on disabled people and is therefore discriminatory".

"We urge the Government to think again and not to punish the most vulnerable for what are negligible savings, the Court has ordered an urgent hearing at the beginning of May, we hope that this will mean that the terrible anxiety our clients and many others are currently facing will be shortlived."

Law Firm Leigh Day are taking legal action on behalf of two clients who are challenging the Government***8217;s proposed ***8216;bedroom tax***8217;.

They claim that new housing benefit regulations, due to come into force on 1 April 2013, are discriminatory, as they will have a far greater ***8216;devastating***8217; impact on disabled people than on non-disabled recipients of the benefit.

The law firm are challenging new regulation B13 introduced into the Housing Benefit Regulations 2006, which will see a single person or a couple with no children having their housing benefit reduced by 14% where they occupy a two bedroom home and by 25% if they occupy a home with three or more bedrooms.

Leigh Day are arguing this will have serious impacts on disabled housing benefit claimants including their client Jacqueline Carmichael who lives with her husband in a two bedroom housing association flat. Mrs Carmichael has spina bifida and is severely disabled.

Mr Carmichael provides her with care throughout the day and night. Mrs Carmichael***8217;s condition means that she has to sleep in a hospital bed with an electronic pressure mattress and has to sleep in a fixed position.

Mr Carmichael cannot sleep in this bed with her as it is not large enough for two people and his movements at night could cause harm. There is not enough space in her bedroom for a second bed so Mr Carmichael sleeps in a second bedroom.

Mr and Mrs Carmichael cannot afford to make up the 14% benefit reduction, which will be imposed, from 1 April 2013.

Mr Rourke is a widower. He is disabled and uses a wheelchair. He is a council tenant and lives in a three-bedroom bungalow.

His stepdaughter is also disabled with a rare form of muscular dystrophy, a degenerative condition that attacks the lungs, heart and muscles.

She is currently a university student in her first year of a two-year web design degree. She lives in halls of residence during term time but returns home for the full summer vacation, at holiday periods and at weekends when she can.

The third ***8216;bedroom***8217;, as defined by the Government, in Mr Rourke***8217;s home is a box room measuring 8 x 9 feet which he requires to store his equipment including a hoist for lifting him, his power chair and his shower seat.

Mr Rourke has enquired in the social rented sector about the availability of two bedroom properties, which are suitable for wheelchair use, and there are none.

Mr Rourke cannot afford to make up the 14% benefit reduction, which will be imposed, from 1 April 2013.

[firestorm]

Leeds council has come up with a novel way of sidestepping the controversial bedroom tax: reclassifying more than 800 "spare" rooms in its social homes as "non-specific rooms".

The creative wordplay means tenants in affected properties are not classed as underoccupying their homes and do not have to pay a surcharge as a result.

The government's housing welfare reform, which came into effect in April, reduced housing benefit to council or housing association tenants, who ministers claim have more bedrooms than they need. The measure is estimated to have affected around 660,000 people, who are losing an average of ?14 a week.

But in what appears to be a legitimate loophole, Leeds council is to reclassify around 837 spare bedrooms. Those who have already been subject to the bedroom tax and have lost out on housing benefit in the last two months are set to be refunded.

[Saltire]

all councils are already cracking under pressure with this problem, two councils in scotland have already said that no one will be evicted from thier homes due to the bedroom tax and just recently I think the largest council in scotland (not sure if it is or not) has said letters that got sent to people regarding evection due to non payment should be disregarded as its a mistake, so to me that means they will all fold sooner or later with this rediculous stupid Tory Idea !!!

Dont get me wrong, I'm all for if a council knows theres only one old man for example in a 4 or 5 bedroom house, I'm in favour that these people are suitably rehoused into a smaller house and let the bigger house to a family that needs the spare rooms, but its a bit different if you only have one or maybe even 2 spare rooms that are used regular for family members etc to visit and stay overnight etc etc.

A word of warning, just dont be stupid enough to pay up in the first place !

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

all councils are already cracking under pressure with this problem, two councils in scotland have already said that no one will be evicted from thier homes due to the bedroom tax and just recently I think the largest council in scotland (not sure if it is or not) has said letters that got sent to people regarding evection due to non payment should be disregarded as its a mistake, so to me that means they will all fold sooner or later with this rediculous stupid Tory Idea !!!

Dont get me wrong, I'm all for if a council knows theres only one old man for example in a 4 or 5 bedroom house, I'm in favour that these people are suitably rehoused into a smaller house and let the bigger house to a family that needs the spare rooms, but its a bit different if you only have one or maybe even 2 spare rooms that are used regular for family members etc to visit and stay overnight etc etc.

A word of warning, just dont be stupid enough to pay up in the first place !

Unless of course, YOU WHERE THE ONE OLD MAN, then you might not think it was such a good idea that someone else decided where you lived for your remaining days [think about it]

[Saltire]

Unless of course, YOU WHERE THE ONE OLD MAN, then you might not think it was such a good idea that someone else decided where you lived for your remaining days [think about it]

yes, but there has to be a limit somewhere man, thats why I said maybe 1 or at max 2 rooms, but not 4 or 5 spare bedrooms mate, come on, thats a bit much and I even know some old people that have brought up big families and are in large council houses like that and they would love to get a nicer smaller home etc, it makes logic for the single person in there on thier own, cheaper bills and less maintanance etc too, know what am sayin ?

On the other end of the scale though, there is some stubborn people who would not want to move as a single person with 5 bedrooms spare, thats when someone has to decide what a limit is thats acceptable, afterall, we need room for all those refugees in england, LOL

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

yes, but there has to be a limit somewhere man, thats why I said maybe 1 or at max 2 rooms, but not 4 or 5 spare bedrooms mate, come on, thats a bit much and I even know some old people that have brought up big families and are in large council houses like that and they would love to get a nicer smaller home etc, it makes logic for the single person in there on thier own, cheaper bills and less maintanance etc too, know what am sayin ?

On the other end of the scale though, there is some stubborn people who would not want to move as a single person with 5 bedrooms spare, thats when someone has to decide what a limit is thats acceptable, afterall, we need room for all those refugees in england, LOL

So if someone has paid the dues all of there life, you are saying some t**t can say come on , move you owl git, got a bunch of kid breeders with 5 kids that want your gaff.............................................. ......I ask you again..............What if it was you, and you liked your house and its memories, you really didnt want to move......hand on heart, you would say, " Oh , its in a good cause,I will go and die somewhere more convenient"...........well if thats the case i take my hat off to you.

[Saltire]

So if someone has paid the dues all of there life, you are saying some t**t can say come on , move you owl git, got a bunch of kid breeders with 5 kids that want your gaff.............................................. ......I ask you again..............What if it was you, and you liked your house and its memories, you really didnt want to move......hand on heart, you would say, " Oh , its in a good cause,I will go and die somewhere more convenient"...........well if thats the case i take my hat off to you.

Hand on heart mate I dont know the answer to that until I am ever in that position, but I know exactly what you mean, all I am saying is I do know personally some old folk like as the example said, one old guy in a massive 5 bedroom council house and he was desperate to be rehoused into a nice small house, and I did say too that on the other side of the coin there are people like you mean that dont wish to move, but I personally think there has to be a line drawn under just how many spare rooms is acceptable for a single person to have, for starters the council are paying all that money in rebates for that massive house thats basically empty, and they need to maintain it too, plus the single person with all those rooms etc must be having massive fuel bill's, especially if they live in a place like scotland that has winter nearly 10 months per year and therefore needs all rooms at least slightly heated so that theres no burst pipes etc.

But I know fully what you mean and I dont disagree with you, I just think they should be building thousands of nice smaller council homes for joe blogs to move into and free up the massive houses that are empty apart from 1 person in them, know what I mean ?

But, we all know thats not happening and will not be happening for mega years even when the torys are defo going to be voted out in next election if england knows whats good for them, remember, this was all caused by the english people voting tory in the first place and now the whole of britain is suffering because of the english public voting, I really do hope they have seen the light and have more sense the next time for everyones sake.

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

Hand on heart mate I dont know the answer to that until I am ever in that position, but I know exactly what you mean, all I am saying is I do know personally some old folk like as the example said, one old guy in a massive 5 bedroom council house and he was desperate to be rehoused into a nice small house, and I did say too that on the other side of the coin there are people like you mean that dont wish to move, but I personally think there has to be a line drawn under just how many spare rooms is acceptable for a single person to have, for starters the council are paying all that money in rebates for that massive house thats basically empty, and they need to maintain it too, plus the single person with all those rooms etc must be having massive fuel bill's, especially if they live in a place like scotland that has winter nearly 10 months per year and therefore needs all rooms at least slightly heated so that theres no burst pipes etc.

But I know fully what you mean and I dont disagree with you, I just think they should be building thousands of nice smaller council homes for joe blogs to move into and free up the massive houses that are empty apart from 1 person in them, know what I mean ?

But, we all know thats not happening and will not be happening for mega years even when the torys are defo going to be voted out in next election if england knows whats good for them, remember, this was all caused by the english people voting tory in the first place and now the whole of britain is suffering because of the english public voting, I really do hope they have seen the light and have more sense the next time for everyones sake.

quite right.
I have never voted tory in my [long] life. Thank God I am self sufficient, without the need for financial help from anyone and will be forever.

I agree about houses, but ALL parties are to blame for that, Labour could easily have reversed the situation and started a council house building programme which would also have kept tradesmen etc in work.

Its just that if an old person is living in a council house with 5 bedrooms, paying the full wack of rent without subsidies from the state, then why should he have to move if he didnt want to?

ITS NOT HIS FAULT THAT THERE ARE

1. TOO MANY PEOPLE WITH BIG FAMILIES LOOKING FOR COUNCIL HOMES

2. THE GOVERNMENT DIDNT BUILD NEW HOMES TO ACCOMMODATE THESE PEOPLE.

Maybe if Britain thought about accommodating everyone in state owned homes, they would have restricted new people arriving here until there where enough homes available to accommodate them all!

[Saltire]

End this rotten bedroom tax - Come to the demo June 1st Glasgow

come today if your in or anywhere near Glasgow ! Instructions are in the link of where to go etc.

[TULGEYWOODMAN]

End this rotten bedroom tax - Come to the demo June 1st Glasgow

come today if your in or anywhere near Glasgow ! Instructions are in the link of where to go etc.

already booked for the BNP rally

[rds60h]

Dont confuse BENEFITS with pension !

pension is a right........something you pay into all your life,not a handout, but a right.

You dont want your pension when you retire?

For anyone who has worked and paid in their National Insurance benefits and a pension are a right, that is what the National Insurance is for !!!!

[rds60h]

I'm not confusing benefits with pensions. I said "If you've paid your dues you deserve everything you get". Free bus passes, tv licence etc is a benefit that I think if you've contributed towards regardless how rich you are you should receive it. As for the pension even those that don't contribute one penny all their life will still receive it.

The statement about receiving apension even if you have not contributed is incorrect. In fact you may have contributed but not enough and still not receive a pension.